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Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by djipko »

Stwerner wrote: post #87
djipko wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Xcode 3 won't work and mavcim keeps crashing. Is it like: sometimes seems unstable - crashing, or completely unusable - crashing. Details much appreciated as it is my main editor.

Same here. I found this: https://github.com/b4winckler/macvim/wiki/ChangeLog Might just have to upgrade to snapshot 59. I guess I'll find out when lion finishes downloading. But really, people actually use the open/save panels in MacVim?

Many thanks for the link.

I do use them for sessions not files - I find that feature very usefull when dealing with a bunch of projects.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by microtonal »

MatthewPhillips wrote: post #89
daeken wrote: post #82

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The biggest drawback, by far, is the insanely low RAM. Anything less than 8GB is unusable for me, and I certainly can't be the only one.

Surely you're exaggerating. 8GB is necessary for a dev machine where you're going to be intentionally straining it. Most laptops nowadays come with 4GB. You're seriously saying those are "unusable" for you? What are you doing that requires 8GB of memory? Running multiple instances of SQL Server, AutoCAD, Visual Studio, and 2 or 3 games simultaneously?

Oh, some of our software barely compiles with 4GB of memory (unless you have enough time). E.g. large finite state transducers dumped as a big array of structs in C tend to blow up the compiler ;).

Also, some people tend to work with large data sets or problems that just require lots of memory. E.g. I work on language generation, and generally the more memory the better. For me 8GB is the minimum for doing serious work, and most machines that I use have >= 8GB and <= 64GB of memory.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

nicolasp wrote: post #72
masklinn wrote: post #38

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Yeah that's what I'm waiting for: the state of Xcode 4 for lion (is it free, or still $5?) and the macports update.

Apparently installing MacPorts from SVN should work, although it's a bit more of a hassle: http://blog.affien.com/archives/2011/03/10/macports-on-lion-...

Yeah but I'm not going to bother with that, especially since packages will likely be broken. I'll wait until next week.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by dgallagher »

Nemisis7654 wrote: post #47

I have been a Windows user since I started using computers. I am thinking of purchasing a Macbook Air. As a young programmer (going into fifth year of college), would anyone recommend this laptop?

From my personal experience, I liked coding Python with Textmate on a MBA, but not Objective-C with Xcode. Py/Text didn't take up much space and was easy to work with. Obj-C/Xcode demand lots of real-estate space, so the tiny screen was a hinderance.

So I'd advise that if you have a language that's 'tiny' and a minimalist editor, you'll probably do fine on a MBA. If the language and editor take up lots of space, I'd stay away and go with something that has a bigger screen (exception if you plan on using an external monitor).

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

ugh wrote: post #56
masklinn wrote: post #37

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> As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs The license was for a single machine. If you wanted to install it on multiple machine, you were supposed to get a family pack (5 machines). Lion is single-user (since it's tied to an iTunes Store account), and up to 5 machines at the same time (all machines on which the account is active).

That can’t be it. The App Store license allows you to install apps on all Macs you own or control (that would include his wife’s Mac), i.e. an unlimited number of Macs. That’s for personal use.

> The App Store license allows you to install apps on all Macs you own or control

yeah I saw that in the Ars review. But I think your iTunes account can only be active on 5 machines, so you'd have to burn the dmg to a disk and install it on the supplementary machines (or remove auth)

> that would include his wife’s Mac

iTunes can switch accounts trivially, so that's not a problem: open his account on his wife's mac, update the OS, done.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by pedrolll »

nhangen wrote: post #69
cstuder wrote: post #26

There are new MacBook Airs too: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ (With a currently somewhat broken webpage.) And new Mac Minis (Whose pages are also currently broken...)

Gosh, I seem to remember brand new Airs being released recently (at which point I bought an 11"). Hasn't it only been since last Fall that they've refreshed the lineup?

I think they are refreshing this fast to include Thunderbolt in everything.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

blinkingled wrote: post #30

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about. I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose. Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my…

> Xcode is no longer there

It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising.

> App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet.

> Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.

Thanks for being the coalmine canary, I'll be waiting for next week as planned.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by masklinn »

mars wrote: post #40

i installed the developer preview of os-x lion some weeks ago. following are my first impressions. let me know how you think... performance: at first i thought lions performance sucks, but mdworker and kextcache processes are re-initializing spotlight right after installation which slows down the system and heats up the cpu. after two hours of fan-noise and heat the system seems to be fine and is running smoothly now…

> mail: the new mail is great. finally email conversations are grouped.

Is it grouped with the email you sent as well? Because shitty threaded convos (all mails you received) have been available since forever ago.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by microtonal »

daeken wrote: post #84
rimantas wrote: post #48

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It was a bit more subtle. I think the point was, that you don't have to restart your machine to begin the installation.

That's new? The Windows and Linux camps have had that for >6 years.

If your kernel is updated, you need to reload the kernel in some manner. Linux has kexec, but requires you to shut down services and reload the kernel nonetheless.

Re: OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

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Post by peng »

eli wrote: post #51
cstuder wrote: post #26

There are new MacBook Airs too: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ (With a currently somewhat broken webpage.) And new Mac Minis (Whose pages are also currently broken...)

Still only 4gb max memory on the Airs? That's the one thing holding me back (well, besides money)

I've been using a 13" MBA as my main computer for the past year, and the 4GB max is really limiting for virtualization. The laptop can choke with with all of my usual tools open (Virtualbox/Photoshop/Chrome/Terminal).
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