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Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, yes, that's an issue. We hope to reach people via blog and Twitter - we post about all the various issues, so that people get exposed to them, and click or read when they encounter something relevant to them.

I like talking about this so I hope you indulge me, did you base your design on any specific research or works on procrastination? It would be interesting what the state of the art has to say about the causes of procrastination and potential solutions.

Our sources are diverse. To name a couple: Procrastinator's Digest by Timothy Pychyl, The Now Habit by Neil Fiore, Procrastination by Jane Burka (lengthy), Tiny Habits by BJ Fogg, ...

There's more - a technique from here, an insight from there...

Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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Not to dismiss this course since I never tried it, but my personal experience is that I procrastinate a lot when I don’t enjoy my work, have a lot of FUD around the project, or simply not passionate about the profession. On the contrary, when I got motivated by my work and feel excited, I just naturally stop procrastination. In fact, it becomes difficult to pay attention to things beyond work at that state. My advice…

I find that I procrastinate the most when I have to write something “required.”

I basically never procrastinate on writing code.

I also don’t procrastinate when I’m writing things for intrinsic reasons, like I want to describe a neat thing I discovered.

But anything that’s required is hard. Writing conference papers for my PhD was horrid. I’d stare at a blank screen for days. I really wish I knew how to get past that, but I never figured it out.

Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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post #16

Not to dismiss this course since I never tried it, but my personal experience is that I procrastinate a lot when I don’t enjoy my work, have a lot of FUD around the project, or simply not passionate about the profession. On the contrary, when I got motivated by my work and feel excited, I just naturally stop procrastination. In fact, it becomes difficult to pay attention to things beyond work at that state. My advice…

I agree with your points, having experienced both sides. One other thing that I've noticed helps a lot is to have a starter template. It's a lot easier to not procrastinate when you have a structure to think with even if the structure is bad and you end up changing it completely. I tend to procrastinate more when I have to do something from scratch

Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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post #16

Not to dismiss this course since I never tried it, but my personal experience is that I procrastinate a lot when I don’t enjoy my work, have a lot of FUD around the project, or simply not passionate about the profession. On the contrary, when I got motivated by my work and feel excited, I just naturally stop procrastination. In fact, it becomes difficult to pay attention to things beyond work at that state. My advice…

Sometimes you don't always have a choice with the task. Eg filing your taxes. You can pay someone to do your taxes but my point is there are plenty of procrastinating triggering tasks in life you can't escape

Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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post #60
post #16

Not to dismiss this course since I never tried it, but my personal experience is that I procrastinate a lot when I don’t enjoy my work, have a lot of FUD around the project, or simply not passionate about the profession. On the contrary, when I got motivated by my work and feel excited, I just naturally stop procrastination. In fact, it becomes difficult to pay attention to things beyond work at that state. My advice…

Same here. Two things helped here: 1. Doing something else instead. But something that's also valuable. Not just scrolling on your phone, but learning something, building something, training, etc. 2. Put yourself out there. If you do good work and get positive feedback regularly, it is easier to keep going.

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Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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Haven't watched the video. For me the only thing that works. The only hack that works is having a contract with a third party. You don't procrastinate on paying your mortgage right. You do it every month. You don't not show up for work right. Or for meetings right. You don't procrastinate on paying your cellphone bill/internet bill/paying rent etc. Why? Because you have contracts with another party and there are cons…

Give me practical example of this? What and how you did

I had to create another account just to reply. I had nocprocrast turned on for hacker news (the irony!)

Practical:

1. I lost 30 lbs from 200 lbs to 170 lbs How I did it. Step#1. Made an irreversible decision. I pay $100 every week if I miss losing 2 lbs that week. The deal was for 12 weeks. I started Monday and the deal is every Monday. I have to stand on the scale and take a pic and send it.

2. I solved 200+ Leetcodes over a span of a year Deal. I had to solve 10 problems a day on random days. Each missed problem costed me $25 per miss.

Here is another guy who became ripped i.e 6 packed within 6 months

https://nypost.com/2017/07/17/poker-player-goes-all-in-with-...

Now to the theory part.

See. The deal is this. The answer to procrastination is not more information. There is no magic info online that will change your brain and you stop procrastinating. You already know procrastinating is bad. You already know that you need to small chunk the work. You already know you need to be disciplined. You know you need to "just get started" or "just need to do it NOW!" that life is made up of choices and you need to make a choice.. You know this and yet...

YOU WON'T DO IT!

There is this movie called "Memento" where all these concepts are already discussed.

Here is the gist. You are not ONE person. That's why nothing has worked so far and nothing will work in the future too. (likely)

You are a multitude of people living inside of you. The you that is going to nod your head or is going to be "inspired" is not the same person who is going to wake up tomorrow. You listen to a video and have an "aha" moment but the you two days from now will not follow through on your grand plan. This is like a relay race between different versions of YOU and the problem is that there is a version of YOU that is definitely going to drop the baton.

Now. You can hit rock bottom or want success as bad as you want to breathe air and then you will get what you want. This is what everyone already knows.

But what if you kind of want to be ripped or kind of want to be done writing a book or just not sufficiently determined. Is there a mechanism by which you can still do the things you don't normally have enough motivation to do?

The answer is a contract.

Beeminder is one such but the biggest flaw is that you are still in charge so you can easily renege on it. Likewise for Stickk etc.

Instead do this: 1. Make an irreversible decision where you are not the one to call off the deal. Just like a mortgage, internet bills, rent, cell phone bills etc.

Watch yourself automatically, automagically achieve ridiculous stuff that previously you would Never have been able To do.

This is a 100% anti self help approach. Note: I did lose a solid 30 lbs from 200 lbs to 170 lbs. But the problem is that once the contract expires I will likely go back to 185 lbs.. eventually. Likewise, you will never develop natural self discipline with this approach but hey.. it works..

Re: Show HN: I made an interactive anti-procrastination video course

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post #16

Not to dismiss this course since I never tried it, but my personal experience is that I procrastinate a lot when I don’t enjoy my work, have a lot of FUD around the project, or simply not passionate about the profession. On the contrary, when I got motivated by my work and feel excited, I just naturally stop procrastination. In fact, it becomes difficult to pay attention to things beyond work at that state. My advice…

Good advice. Also one thing that has very often worked for me which I learned from a run-of-the-mill Youtube video is just countdown from 5-4-3-2-1 and then do it for 5 minutes. So many times I've ended up working the whole day after that and often enjoyed myself too. For a lot of people it's like the static friction vs kinetic friction kinda deal.

I like the friction analogy but would have it on an inclined plane to account for the energy produced/consumed once it's started. For example a task which provides its own motivation (once started) would be downhill and may only need an initial push to overcome static friction, then might be self-sustaining. On the other hand, an unrelentingly unpleasant task would be "uphill" and require constant willpower (cf. mechanical power) to finish.
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