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It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

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Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#121

I always read this as: "Our European visitors are important to us BUT vacuuming all your data and selling to multiple bidders is importanter " You wanna be obnoxious? Sure, go ahead, but I'll dislike your site more (and I have adblock so I have no qualms in accepting). Wanna pretend you're compliant by having an obvious non-compliant "solution" and think that will shield your responsibility? Now I'll just hate you an…

Exactly this. Every time I read about GDPR compliance, it feels like a very well-designed set of guidelines that are easy to follow ... IF you aren't stalking users. The complaints about it have the same tone as the Guild of Assassins complaining that laws against murder are really hard to comply with in their industry. Of course they are, and that's the point. -------------- Hypothetical conversation with a Maliciou…

MAW: Nevermind, I'll identify users via browser fingerprinting.

GDPR: Browser generated information was ruled personal data and falls under GDPR.

MAW: Just let me stalk on my users without their consent, goddamit!

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#122

“We care about your privacy.” is also a real joker. Those boxes often provide no “opt-out all” button and force you to “object” to “legitimate interests” one-by-one even if you do “opt-out”.

How GDPR is implemented is a total shitshow. It clearly says that it's an OPT-IN, not opt-out and one has to uncheck everything one by one. We're creating a fucking dystopia just to click on more ads.

The GDPR itself is sane. Its enforcement is severely lacking though.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#123

“We care about your privacy.” is also a real joker. Those boxes often provide no “opt-out all” button and force you to “object” to “legitimate interests” one-by-one even if you do “opt-out”.

Why do companies even bother writing that? They clearly don't care, if they did that box wouldn't even be there. Sites like Imgur are the absolute worst. "We care about your privacy" and presents you with a list of 1200 companies they share information with.

Is there any way to auto opt-out of these sites? Like an adblocker, but for these privacy pops?

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read the thread. They can keep their news, but it's _pushed_ to me by Big Tech. Then, the news sources have the nerve to say, "Thanks for coming. Get out!" It's the 0% APR that virtually nobody qualifies for at the dealership. Don't suggest content I want but can't have.

News aggregators hardly qualify as "big tech".

news.google.com is owned by Alphabet.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#125

Maybe the cost of GDPR compliance just isn't worth the small amount of revenue that they might make from European visitors? US visitors are probably much more 'valuable' in terms of advertisement revenue, and also much more likely to be a subscriber. And I say this as a European myself. It sucks that I have to jump through hoops to access some sites but I can't really blame them.

IANAL, but can't they just word a disclaimer and checkbox? Something like: "Our European visitors are important to us... but the cost of GDPR-compliance for a US-focused site is high. For your own GDPR protection, we advise you not to access our site. However, if you choose to do so, you agree to waive any and all rights granted to you under the GDPR. [ ] Agree"

Correct, you're not a lawyer. IANAL either but I know enough to know people can't generally waive their rights. If they could then every website would just say "you are waiving your GDPR rights if you continue using this site" and be done with it.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#126

I always read this as: "Our European visitors are important to us BUT vacuuming all your data and selling to multiple bidders is importanter " You wanna be obnoxious? Sure, go ahead, but I'll dislike your site more (and I have adblock so I have no qualms in accepting). Wanna pretend you're compliant by having an obvious non-compliant "solution" and think that will shield your responsibility? Now I'll just hate you an…

Exactly this. Every time I read about GDPR compliance, it feels like a very well-designed set of guidelines that are easy to follow ... IF you aren't stalking users. The complaints about it have the same tone as the Guild of Assassins complaining that laws against murder are really hard to comply with in their industry. Of course they are, and that's the point. -------------- Hypothetical conversation with a Maliciou…

>Every time I read about GDPR compliance, it feels like a very well-designed set of guidelines that are easy to follow ... IF you aren't stalking users.

There's a difference between being compliant and being _in compliance_. There's a real cost to the latter. Why should sites that primarily serve non-European readers bother with it? The assumption that they don't because they're all greedily stalking users is a misguided, but popular, cynical take.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#127
post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do companies even bother writing that? They clearly don't care, if they did that box wouldn't even be there. Sites like Imgur are the absolute worst. "We care about your privacy" and presents you with a list of 1200 companies they share information with.

Is there any way to auto opt-out of these sites? Like an adblocker, but for these privacy pops?

Here's an extension that just removes the cookie popover and shows the page underneath: https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu/

Here's an extension that auto deletes cookies: https://github.com/Cookie-AutoDelete/Cookie-AutoDelete

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#128

Lawmakers and voters sometimes act as if regulations are free. They think “wouldn’t it be nice” and pass on the costs to businesses. They aren’t in fact free.

The user here just wants honesty - a "As a local American* media, we cannot afford the additional costs of GDPR compliance. As such, this content is not available to EU/EEA." That's it. Not "We are evaluating options to deliver your favorite [sic] content to EEA." when they already decided to no longer server Europeans. * "local American media" WTF. Almost all of you are large corporates.

Or maybe they are planning to give you localised [sic] content at some point and just haven't prioritised [sic] it yet?

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#129

Lawmakers and voters sometimes act as if regulations are free. They think “wouldn’t it be nice” and pass on the costs to businesses. They aren’t in fact free.

The user here just wants honesty - a "As a local American* media, we cannot afford the additional costs of GDPR compliance. As such, this content is not available to EU/EEA." That's it. Not "We are evaluating options to deliver your favorite [sic] content to EEA." when they already decided to no longer server Europeans. * "local American media" WTF. Almost all of you are large corporates.

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Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#130
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I always read this as: "Our European visitors are important to us BUT vacuuming all your data and selling to multiple bidders is importanter " You wanna be obnoxious? Sure, go ahead, but I'll dislike your site more (and I have adblock so I have no qualms in accepting). Wanna pretend you're compliant by having an obvious non-compliant "solution" and think that will shield your responsibility? Now I'll just hate you an…

They're serving you a web-page regardless. It probably isn't the data as much as they don't want to run afoul of EU law. Breaking the law is a generally considered a big mistake and regardless of the stereotyping about businesses they can be pretty timid when dealing with governments.

> Breaking the law is a generally considered a big mistake

Except when it's about breaching the GDPR. In this case it's considered "business as usual" and Google and Facebook successfully get away with it.

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