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It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

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Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

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Is this really what's considered good content on HN at this point? I come here specifically to avoid junk like this. Disappointing.

Several times I've said that HN should block European IP addresses. Nothing they have to say is relevant in the US. And pay your own damn defense budgets.

I'm from Europe and would love this. Let us have our own forums!

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

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post #98

Lawmakers and voters sometimes act as if regulations are free. They think “wouldn’t it be nice” and pass on the costs to businesses. They aren’t in fact free.

Correct. But the axiom is misguided. Legislation on the safety of cars for instance is not free, but necessary. You could argue that the makers of go-karts are being priced out of the market: after all, the free market should make people put a price on their own safety. But the issue is often that people don’t really have a good grasp of what it truly means and you can’t put a monetary number on things like that.

I’m not an anarchist, I just don’t think people always realize or recognize that there will be downsides as well as upsides to the latest “sounds good” piece of legislation.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

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post #20

Is this really what's considered good content on HN at this point? I come here specifically to avoid junk like this. Disappointing.

One of the most popular services of one of the most popular tech companies is pushing content to one of the largest economic participants that is relevant but unusable.

While I didn't mean for this to blow up and was merely venting, I'd like to think my unreplied vim-regex comments were good contributions and valid content for the HN community.

And just for you: Five years ago, the front page had "House sabotages net neutrality", "lawyers suing over We Shall Overcome", "Haitian cholera epidemic started by UN peacekeepers", "coffee shops signal urban change", "how the law is tracking down prank callers", "Merkel allows lawsuit against German comedian"... oh, and a new minor version of Jupyter and Tera were introduced.

I'm sad that you remember HN being different back then.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#105

Before GDPR passed I heard nothing but "I don't want to patronize a site that doesn't want to respect my privacy" and "we don't need sites that won't follow basic rules like this". Well you got your wish. Your internet is no longer polluted with these reprehensible site owners. Yet people continue to bitch and moan.

Read the thread. They can keep their news, but it's _pushed_ to me by Big Tech. Then, the news sources have the nerve to say, "Thanks for coming. Get out!" It's the 0% APR that virtually nobody qualifies for at the dealership. Don't suggest content I want but can't have.

News aggregators hardly qualify as "big tech".

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#106

What I don't understand is, why are these local US news sites required to comply with GDPR? I wouldn't think they'd have any obligation to follow it (or any possible recourse for not doing so) unless they have business operations in the EU. Are these local news sites in fact all owned by multinationals that do have operations in the EU? Edit: I'm getting downvoted -- just in case it helps to clarify, I'm not trying t…

GDPR applies whenever you're providing services to EU citizens, regardless of where you have operations. If you want those people to read your stuff, it applies to you. And before you say that's crazy, look at US tax laws.

Also, US Foreign Corruption Practices Act.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#108

So should the whole world obey every diktat that comes from the EU? Whether GDPR is good or bad, it's an EU law, not an international or American one.

Sorry, I wasn't paying attention as I have to fill my FACTA form.

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#109

I always read this as: "Our European visitors are important to us BUT vacuuming all your data and selling to multiple bidders is importanter " You wanna be obnoxious? Sure, go ahead, but I'll dislike your site more (and I have adblock so I have no qualms in accepting). Wanna pretend you're compliant by having an obvious non-compliant "solution" and think that will shield your responsibility? Now I'll just hate you an…

Exactly this. Every time I read about GDPR compliance, it feels like a very well-designed set of guidelines that are easy to follow ... IF you aren't stalking users. The complaints about it have the same tone as the Guild of Assassins complaining that laws against murder are really hard to comply with in their industry. Of course they are, and that's the point. -------------- Hypothetical conversation with a Maliciou…

it looks like great tl;dr, but I'm not expert on GDPR

nice

Re: It's been three years. Stop saying your European visitors are important to you

#110
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This: > McDonald’s is never going to check what Brussels says about dairy before they make a milkshake in Spokane. Sorry. conflicts with this: > law is introduced, business figures out the easiest way to deal with it and get back to what they were doing, rinse and repeat. So which is it? If they care about Brussels, then they are willing to go the extra mile. If they don't care, why put up the block anyways?

Amen. If a court in the EU fines the Bozeman Daily Chronicle, what is stopping the Chronicle from replying, "lol ok." and continuing to not care?

I think this works if you are small. If you are large, you might have a branch or subsidiary in EEA which may get fined or whose assets might get frozen.
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