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WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Will there be fallout for social media fact checkers, who moderated out users' observation and hypothesis which matched the new consensus? Also, 'there had been a "premature push"' is very passive language. Who pushed? I wish the AP published on the web so that they were able to hyperlink to original source material or their transcript. Edit: I guess the old consensus must be buried.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-world-news-health-scien... AP Does publish on the web...

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Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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post #9

Will there be fallout for social media fact checkers, who moderated out users' observation and hypothesis which matched the new consensus? Also, 'there had been a "premature push"' is very passive language. Who pushed? I wish the AP published on the web so that they were able to hyperlink to original source material or their transcript. Edit: I guess the old consensus must be buried.

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-world-news-health-scien... AP Does publish on the web...

NPR wins on the permalink though. I was going to link someone the apnews version but changed to the npr one due to the url.

NPR: who-chief-wuhan-lab-covid-19-origin-premature-tedros

AP: joe-biden-world-news-health-science-coronavirus-pandemic

AP is just stuffing keywords in there.

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup. I was pissed off from the start by people who were absolutely sure it was/wasn't a lab leak.

And that you were a racist xenophobic bigot for even considering the possibility of a lab leak.

>for even considering the possibility

This is an exaggeration/cherry-picked. Many people were in fact using the assertion primarily to express xenophobia, and had no compelling thoughts beyond that. Those people were not the same as the people "considering the possibility", which describes a more reasonable subset of people.

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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It was irresponsible and harmful to declare that it definitely was a Chinese lab's fault, too.

Who was saying that?

The lab leak origin is the subject of a popular conspiracy theory that failed to put forward evidence and served mostly as an expression of hatred and political side-taking (and therefore predictably engendered similar attitudes against the theory). This is irrelevant to its status as an actual theory in good faith (sort of like how mask wearing has a left-vs-right flavor independent of legitimate arguments).

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who was saying that?

The lab leak origin is the subject of a popular conspiracy theory that failed to put forward evidence and served mostly as an expression of hatred and political side-taking (and therefore predictably engendered similar attitudes against the theory). This is irrelevant to its status as an actual theory in good faith (sort of like how mask wearing has a left-vs-right flavor independent of legitimate arguments).

Yep. Just taking a 50:50 bet on the popular side doesn't mean anything, unless backed up by something substantial. There's no meaning to saying you were right or wrong, unless how you got there can be followed by facts and verification.

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who was saying that?

The lab leak origin is the subject of a popular conspiracy theory that failed to put forward evidence and served mostly as an expression of hatred and political side-taking (and therefore predictably engendered similar attitudes against the theory). This is irrelevant to its status as an actual theory in good faith (sort of like how mask wearing has a left-vs-right flavor independent of legitimate arguments).

As far as I remember, the prominent people who were talking about this a year ago did not say "it definitely was a Chinese lab's fault", just that it was seriously suspicious and needed further investigation, and that they were upset that people who were bringing it up were getting prematurely dismissed. Who exactly (other than random conspiracy theorists) was saying it was definitely a Chinese lab?

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that you were a racist xenophobic bigot for even considering the possibility of a lab leak.

>for even considering the possibility This is an exaggeration/cherry-picked. Many people were in fact using the assertion primarily to express xenophobia, and had no compelling thoughts beyond that. Those people were not the same as the people "considering the possibility", which describes a more reasonable subset of people.

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Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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What bothered me most about this was that there was very little consideration or toleration for anyone suggesting it may have been a lab leak, could have been a lab leak, and hey let's really look at this lab leak theory so we don't just dismiss it out of hand due to media manipulation, and politics. America let politics dictate its response to COVID and in doing so let China off the hook. One hopes we don't make the same mistake in the future.

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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Will there be fallout for social media fact checkers, who moderated out users' observation and hypothesis which matched the new consensus? Also, 'there had been a "premature push"' is very passive language. Who pushed? I wish the AP published on the web so that they were able to hyperlink to original source material or their transcript. Edit: I guess the old consensus must be buried.

Depends on who you ask. For some, because Trump lost, the fact checkers, media, etc. were justified in burying the lab leak theory because in doing so was a "resistance" to trump.

Re: WHO's Chief: It Was Premature to Rule Out a Lab Leak as the Pandemic's Origin

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post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that you were a racist xenophobic bigot for even considering the possibility of a lab leak.

>for even considering the possibility This is an exaggeration/cherry-picked. Many people were in fact using the assertion primarily to express xenophobia, and had no compelling thoughts beyond that. Those people were not the same as the people "considering the possibility", which describes a more reasonable subset of people.

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