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California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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California is at the caost, so why not just add what amounts to reservoir dams of the coast? Why batteries?

Maybe a few decades ago, but dams have more problems than batteries, especially along near the ring of fire/faults. Hard enough to ensure proper maintenance is done in serene Michigan.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Off-topic but reflecting on the PV in the domain name: What kind of home PV solar panels should a person ask a contractor for? How do you know they're giving you quality rated panels?

Reputable cells from a factory that laminates them well

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Take a shot every time the article uses "GW" and "MWh/GWh" apparently interchangeably for "energy" or "power", also seemingly at random.

Actually, I thought it was very easy to understand. For instance, > Fortunately, 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity is coming online by August 1, per the California Public Utility Commission. Much of this capacity will have four hours of battery energy sitting behind it, nearly 8,000 MWh in total. That's 2 GW of power delivery backed by 8 GWh of storage.

> 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity

I think this is where the confusion starts: if someone talks about "energy storage capacity", my first association is the amount of energy that can be stored, not the rate at which that energy can be discharged from the storage (i.e. power).

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I thought it was very easy to understand. For instance, > Fortunately, 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity is coming online by August 1, per the California Public Utility Commission. Much of this capacity will have four hours of battery energy sitting behind it, nearly 8,000 MWh in total. That's 2 GW of power delivery backed by 8 GWh of storage.

> 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity I think this is where the confusion starts: if someone talks about "energy storage capacity", my first association is the amount of energy that can be stored, not the rate at which that energy can be discharged from the storage (i.e. power).

It is a bit confusing, but it isn't wrong, there are just two capacities in question.

We could call them power capacity and energy capacity. This system can deliver 2000MW for four hours, or 1000MW for eight hours, but can't deliver 4000MW for two hours, because that exceeds the power capacity.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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As a Californian who has been watching the CalISO web page since the 90s, what I find most interesting is that the peak usage and total generation now is pretty much the same as it was in the 90s (~50MW).

Based on the energy mix, it looks like lost coal capacity has been replaced with solar and other green energy, and demand has gone down relative to population because of efficiency initiatives and rooftop solar for the largest home consumers (rich people).

I'll bet demand falls even faster as home energy storage gets cheaper and more prevalent.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"My car runs 100 miles!" instead of "My car runs 100 miles per gallon!", and almost anyone would notice something is amiss. I don't get the difference to mixing "Watts" with "Watts/hour".

Energy is not Watts per hour (Watts/hour), it's Watts times hours (Watt-hours). Sorry for pedantry, but the units are the topic of discussion here.

And in turn, watts are joules per second. Resolve Hours to 3600 seconds means 1 Wh = 3600 Joules. Which is the unit we should be using.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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I got my "hybrid" inverter today. My panel size is 330w x 16. So 5.2kWh. Grid tied system. 1 year. Average production 28 kWh on a good day with no grid power cuts.

Well the new hybrid inverter from phocus is supposed to use the generation when grid outside is down internally at home and that opens up a lot of possibilities.

Been thinking about using solar water heating to reduce electricity consumption but that is a big project.

Batteries are still expensive in india. Lithium ion is prohibitively expensive than lead acid. Agreed it pays in time of life but still.

Edit: anyone know if I can incorporate phocus inverter into home assistant ? It has ble so some sort ?

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I thought it was very easy to understand. For instance, > Fortunately, 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity is coming online by August 1, per the California Public Utility Commission. Much of this capacity will have four hours of battery energy sitting behind it, nearly 8,000 MWh in total. That's 2 GW of power delivery backed by 8 GWh of storage.

> 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity I think this is where the confusion starts: if someone talks about "energy storage capacity", my first association is the amount of energy that can be stored, not the rate at which that energy can be discharged from the storage (i.e. power).

Sure, but you can then read the next sentence and the confusion should disappear.

The right answer is to use power and energy capacity respectively if you’re talking to lay people but this publication is talking to people who disambiguate based off the units pretty easily.

Nuclear capacity/wind capacity/Energy Storage Capacity. Three different delivery methods for power. That’s how they’d read it at the end of the sentence.

But anyway, the trick is to perform either unit disambiguation or perform one sentence lookahead.

And finally, think of it as no different from using the summation convention in tensor notation. You read it and you’re like wtf but that’s because you’re not the audience and you lack the context to get it.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity I think this is where the confusion starts: if someone talks about "energy storage capacity", my first association is the amount of energy that can be stored, not the rate at which that energy can be discharged from the storage (i.e. power).

It is a bit confusing, but it isn't wrong, there are just two capacities in question. We could call them power capacity and energy capacity. This system can deliver 2000MW for four hours, or 1000MW for eight hours, but can't deliver 4000MW for two hours, because that exceeds the power capacity.

Why not call it the rate or throughput?

We don't state that a car with a 100mph top speed has a 100mph capacity.

Re: California breaks 1 GW energy storage milestone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 2,000 MW of energy storage capacity I think this is where the confusion starts: if someone talks about "energy storage capacity", my first association is the amount of energy that can be stored, not the rate at which that energy can be discharged from the storage (i.e. power).

It is a bit confusing, but it isn't wrong, there are just two capacities in question. We could call them power capacity and energy capacity. This system can deliver 2000MW for four hours, or 1000MW for eight hours, but can't deliver 4000MW for two hours, because that exceeds the power capacity.

But then it seems that they should say "2000MW of delivery capacity" rather than "storage capacity"
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