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Re: Valve Steam Deck

#541

If I were them, I would launch a 2nd version of the dock around Dec-2022 that has an integrated GPU. Use a GPU than can push 2k content and call it the Steam Dock 2K. 4K version in 2023.

If the USB C port supports USB 4 or Thunderbolt, that would definitely be doable

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#542
Only thing this and Steam OS is missing is native support for software like Easy Anti-Cheat. Because EAC explicitly refuses to work on wine (proton), it's impossible to run a huge number of AAA multiplayer games. I know Value probably cannot do much on it's own here though.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#543

Impressions: * 1.47 pounds is 666g, versus the Switch’s 398g (with Joy-Con attatched). 67% heavier. * I do like that the two people I can see on the landing page both appear to be female, and not overtly "models" at that. I don’t want to read into whether this implies anything about what the marketing for this system might be — rather, I just like that we’re seeing a further erosion of the video-games-as-boys-club tr…

>Countdown until this thing is EOL?

I feel this device is too "on the nose" for what PC enthusiasts want. Its a Nomad, not an iPod. Its a Game Gear, not a Gameboy. Enthusiasts will just shrug at its lackluster performance and tiny screen vs just paying a bit more for a gaming laptop or desktop with several times the performance.

I also don't like the idea that if you want to play many popular games, especially those beholden to anti-cheat systems, you have to run Windows and now you have to go through the hassle of buying a Windows license and installing it on this machine. A lot of kids might be disappointed when their parents buy this and they find out they can only play stuff that works on Linux and that stuff may not include the big AAA shooters they want to play (mostly due to anti-cheat being windows only). Worse, Win10 costs $120, which is a pricey upgrade for a device that starts at $399.

I think its often in technology that the customer doesn't know what they actually want. They don't actually know how to ask to be surprised or what that surprise might be, afterall its a surprise! So they just ask for slightly better or tinier versions of the things they already own, which may or may not be the right answer.

Products that actually get successful tend to surprise and break expectations and introduce new concepts. This device just seems like its not doing any of that, but on paper its what PC enthusiasts claim they want, but I'm guessing won't actually buy. I don't know what its EOL will be, but its definitely going to be a super-super niche device, at bit like how Android tablets with things like full size USB slots were seen as potential iPad killers just a few years ago, but failed to get any real marketshare. You can still get an Android tablet, but its just a lackluster device compared to the competition and super-super niche. This device may also have a very long life as potential ammunition against Microsoft trying to seal off Windows from gaming again. It'll always be in production even as a loss because its so politically and economically important to Valve to be able to keep MS from locking them out with the MS store.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#544
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From the FAQ [0]: - What OS is Steam Deck running? SteamOS 3.0, a new version of SteamOS based on Arch Linux. - Will people be able to install Windows, or other 3rd party content? Yes. Steam Deck is a PC, and players will be able to install whatever they like, including other OSes. [0]: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

That is a great link. Perhaps even more interesting is this: Valve is working with anti-cheat vendors for Linux (Proton) support. So one of the biggest remaining obstacles to Linux gaming may soon be addressed as a side effect of this.

Here are a few good videos about the subject and Linux gaming. I don't know anything in article format or I would have linked that instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8apCPN56PU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B35XhcmBDDI

https://www.youtube.com/c/Collabora/videos

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One negative: With all that hardware it’s almost 3 times heavier than the Nintendo Switch, which is already near the upper limit for holding comfortable for longer play sessions. edit: On closer look that's comparing the Switch without controllers (297g) to the Steam Deck with controllers (669g). The Switch with controllers is 398g, so the Steam Deck is only ~1.7x times as heavy - though that's still a lot of extra w…

That’s almost a deal breaker. My hands get tingly after playing in hand held mode for too long. Not sure if it’s the weight or ergonomics.

Do you play lying down, by any chance? I sometimes get that if I do, but not seated.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#546
This is the most interesting part to me:

> On Steam Deck, your games run on a different operating system than the one on your desktop PC. It's a new version of SteamOS, built with Steam Deck in mind and optimized for a handheld gaming experience. It comes with Proton, a compatibility layer that makes it possible to run your games without any porting work needed from developers. For Deck, we're vastly improving Proton's game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by working directly with the vendors.

Of course, it doesn't magically make every Win 10 game run on Linux without issue. Your favorite games may not even work, but it does make most games playable. More info: https://www.protondb.com/

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#547
post #135

From the FAQ [0]: - What OS is Steam Deck running? SteamOS 3.0, a new version of SteamOS based on Arch Linux. - Will people be able to install Windows, or other 3rd party content? Yes. Steam Deck is a PC, and players will be able to install whatever they like, including other OSes. [0]: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

That is a great link. Perhaps even more interesting is this: Valve is working with anti-cheat vendors for Linux (Proton) support. So one of the biggest remaining obstacles to Linux gaming may soon be addressed as a side effect of this.

do you think anti-cheating is ultimately solvable? it seems likely to me that eventually bots just take in a video stream, running on an otherwise separate device. what happens to gaming then?

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#548
post #135

From the FAQ [0]: - What OS is Steam Deck running? SteamOS 3.0, a new version of SteamOS based on Arch Linux. - Will people be able to install Windows, or other 3rd party content? Yes. Steam Deck is a PC, and players will be able to install whatever they like, including other OSes. [0]: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

That is a great link. Perhaps even more interesting is this: Valve is working with anti-cheat vendors for Linux (Proton) support. So one of the biggest remaining obstacles to Linux gaming may soon be addressed as a side effect of this.

I'm totally out of the game scene nowadays and I don't understand how anticheat software should be installed locally. How does it work? I thought it was done on the server level.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

#550

I do find intriguing Valve continues to be a private company. Unlike the rush start up these days have to do an IPO.

I'd rather it be that way, so they are not pressured by investors to extract every single cent from their consumers.

They have a very loyal consumer base which trusts them and which is keeping them afloat, they don't want to blow that trust

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