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Re: Valve Steam Deck

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Typo in the title. It’s “Steam Deck”, not “Steam Desk”. Interesting that Valve is diving deeper into hardware. Remember when they still made video games? Remember when there was still a hope they would some day release Half-Life 3?

Haha, I read it and wondered why they put a computer in a desk. Buy a desk, get a free computer!

What?!

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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I try Proton a few times a year and the experience is almost always disappointing; I'm not even a hardcore gamer, so mostly playing 2-3 year old games which I'd expect good experience with. However, if they ramp up investment and actually make Proton viable for the majority of titles, this is very bad news for Microsoft / Windows.

While we're reporting our experience, I'll say that my experience with Proton has been highly mixed. By which I mean I have seen several games work pretty much flawlessly, and several that were pretty much totally busted, and many in between. I think there are also quite a lot of games that benefit from customising the Proton setup instead of just using the default configuration (there are often guides online for particular games, advising what version with what tweaks will make things work), but tbh I rarely have the motivation to go down that route. I usually check protondb before buying things.

For what it's worth, I no longer have a Windows install. If a game doesn't have a Linux version and doesn't work on Wine/Proton, I just live without that game.

I will say that I give Valve major kudos for their work on Proton even with its limitations. It's one of the primary reasons that I continue to use Steam and haven't done much with GOG or other sources (despite GOG's admirable stance on DRM)

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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I have a Steam Controller. It performed well in several games. However, my experience with it and most games was very bad. Most games did not really support it and community keybinding presets were either non-existent or unplayable. I had to learn how to use a controller as if I did not use any in my life. I had to spend a lot of time to get everything up and running and learn the controls. Most of the time I switched back to wireless keyboard and mouse or xbox controller.

I hope that controls on this device will be decent and the games are playable.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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Most online gaming is currently borked on Linux because the anticheat software doesn't work. Does this get around that somehow? Will I be able to use the same method on my Linux machine? EDIT: Otherwise 'runs the latest AAA games - and runs them really well' seems like oversell. EDIT2: From their 'software' page: 'For Deck, we're vastly improving Proton's game compatibility and support for anti-cheat solutions by wor…

You should be able to install Windows on it. As they say on the website you are free in your choice of OS. Then the anticheat shouldn‘t be a problem.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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post #80

Pretty nice specs for a handheld battery powered device... Processor AMD APU CPU: Zen 2 4c/8t, 2.4-3.5GHz (up to 448 GFlops FP32) GPU: 8 RDNA 2 CUs, 1.0-1.6GHz (up to 1.6 TFlops FP32) APU power: 4-15W RAM 16 GB LPDDR5 RAM (5500 MT/s) Storage 64 GB eMMC (PCIe Gen 2 x1) 256 GB NVMe SSD (PCIe Gen 3 x4) 512 GB high-speed NVMe SSD (PCIe Gen 3 x4) All models include high-speed microSD card slot Though it does weigh 669 gra…

I was thinking AMD Renoir but Zen 2 and RDNA 2 is an odd combination. Is it custom?

>> I was thinking AMD Renoir but Zen 2 and RDNA 2 is an odd combination. Is it custom?

I don't recall any APU with that combination. The 5700G which is due next month is Zen 3 with Vega graphics.

Personally I don't care much about RDNA 2 but I would like the hardware AV1 decoder.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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A more expensive Nintendo Switch with the attractiveness and weight of the Sega Nomad. Complimented by the extensive Linux gaming library. Brought to you by the maniacs at Valve who lost their minds somewhere around Portal 2. Just listen to that mobile AMD64 go hnnnnnngggggg Edit: LR 4 and 5? what monster was this designed for? I’m glad to see Valve attempting to be creative again. But this is an idea we all drew in…

> A more expensive Nintendo Switch

and? Consider this is HN, which is largely populated by people with the disposable income that this doesn't much matter.

> with the attractiveness and weight of the Sega Nomad

... which competed with the Gameboy

> Complimented by the extensive Linux gaming library.

First, this is much larger than you might expect.

Second, it's only limited _on the device_. I see this being used as a thin client into a desktop gaming PC that you already own, which presumably will be running Windows.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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post #135

From the FAQ [0]: - What OS is Steam Deck running? SteamOS 3.0, a new version of SteamOS based on Arch Linux. - Will people be able to install Windows, or other 3rd party content? Yes. Steam Deck is a PC, and players will be able to install whatever they like, including other OSes. [0]: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

I’m super excited to see that they’ve chosen Arch as a base for SteamOS. I understand fully why they originally chose Ubuntu, but I feel like Arch actually hits a lot of sweet spots for consumer use cases and could be adapted for such use quite effectively. (To be fair, I feel similarly about Gentoo, which was similarly adapted for ChromeOS quite successfully.)

I love a good distro story but it doesn’t seem very relevant here.

A Linux distribution like Ubuntu, Arch or Gentoo provides a platform for users to configure their system. The distro is a toolkit for finishing up a generic OS into the specific workstation needed by the user to do their work.

Steam Deck on the other hand has one job to do: launch /opt/steam and run things linked against libsteam. The end user won’t be doing anything with the OS itself.

Accordingly, the underlying distro just doesn’t seem that interesting. What about the distro could possibly be surfaced to the end user/gamer that they would care about?

It’s not like Steam will apt dist-upgrade their device: upgrades will be a complete reimage.

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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post #54

This looks like it will trounce the Nintendo Switch. Nintendo doesn't even have new hardware in the pipeline other than an iterative OLED screen. Now that Nintendo depends on a single portable console, is there a risk that they'll go the way of Sega?

This will trounce the Nintendo Switch as soon as Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart, and Smash Bros are released on Steam. Which is to say "never."

i know what you're saying and this wouldnt be out of the box, but wait till someone gets emulators running on it, within a year i'd say

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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post #52

Whoever named this an idiot, my first thought was reading “Stream Deck” and I thought it was streaming device. Valve makes good hardware but their marketing is terrible leading to abandoned hardware that enthusiasts rave about. The marketing page is white... it is Valve... why is the marketing site white?!?!

I guess that would be a reasonable complaint if it wasn't so that Steam is already Valve's main product, and that this device is intended for playing games from Steam!

Re: Valve Steam Deck

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post #135

From the FAQ [0]: - What OS is Steam Deck running? SteamOS 3.0, a new version of SteamOS based on Arch Linux. - Will people be able to install Windows, or other 3rd party content? Yes. Steam Deck is a PC, and players will be able to install whatever they like, including other OSes. [0]: https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/steamdeck/faq

they really missed out on saying (btw it runs Arch) or somin to play to that meme

At this point, i can't tell if I'm an arch user because of that meme, or if that meme is true because I'm an arch user...either way as an Arch user, I must make you aware of this fact whenever linux operating systems are brought up (I think it's even in the EULA). This has been a PSA.
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