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Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

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Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

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Honest question: why would any new tech entrepreneur want to move to SF? The prices suck, and if you need to improve your network you can meet the vast majority of tech people online (IRC, Discord, email, online conferences). Weather?

How many enormous technology companies have been founded by people affiliated with a certain school in Palo Alto which has no plans of going remote?

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#52
post #14

I moved to Austin in November after 10 years in the Bay Area and a lifetime in different parts of California. Not a chance we will move back, certainly not for decades. The most refreshing part of the change is that people are genuinely nicer and more friendly around here than anywhere I lived in California (OC, SD, SF, Berkeley, Stockton for college). I really didn’t expect that, which I think was probably due to cr…

> I really didn’t expect that, which I think was probably due to crude stereotypes Californians like to spread about Texas.

Portland likes to spread crude stereotypes about Californians just the same. When I visited San Diego I was truly surprised at how nice everyone was. Outside of Hawaii, it was the nicest encounter I'd had with large groups of people ever.

Some of the folks I encountered in Sacramento, SF, and San Jose definitely lived up to their alleged reputation though... they were not so nice.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#53
post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a bit of a cop out. The Bay Area had some of the most progressive politicians and progressive policies in the country. I’ve seen plenty of progressives claim “they aren’t true progressives” but that comes across as a bit of a “no true Scotsman” argument that you hear from defenders of communism. And it begs the question - if no one has been able to attain “true” whatever, is it really even an option?

"Extreme inequality ruins things" is more of a progressive belief than a conservative one. Enter SF! How a place is governed is different from the party people run on, and the lack of accountability on results is the current failing of SF. Execution matters, not just ideas. What is it that people think the TX government is better at? What similar challenges has the government of, say, Fort Worth faced as SF, and what…

Lack of accountability on results is the hallmark of progressivism. As long as the intentions were good, outcomes don't seem to matter.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#54
post #13

Honest question: why would any new tech entrepreneur want to move to SF? The prices suck, and if you need to improve your network you can meet the vast majority of tech people online (IRC, Discord, email, online conferences). Weather?

At least 11 of the 20 largest companies by market cap have a major office if not headquarters in the region. It's a business and money center... And that's besides great weather, history, and things to do in CA.

I couldn't imagine an entrepreneur being successful without meeting people in person.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#55

The bay during the 2010s was a very special time and place. Hard to understand if you weren't there. I've never felt a sense of community and energy and excitement like that anywhere else. Not to mention all the free pizza and beer. If COVID is over and that world comes back, I'd love to return. But right now there doesn't seem to be much point.

Isn't "very special time and place for community, energy and excitement" a function of your age, more than anything else?

Everybody experiences their special unique unrepeatable time and place. It doesn't matter which decade they lived, or where. For me, it was the early 90s in post-communist Czechoslovakia. Also, "hard to understand if you weren't there".

Free pizza and beer might not hold the same sway they did 10 years ago. You cannot step into the same river twice, etc.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#56
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you spend any time in the hill country on the south/west parts of town? They have a very different feel than the flat parts.

Yes, they're nice but it's like comparing skiing in New England with skiing in the Rockies or Sierras.

I didn’t say they were comparable to the Sierra Nevada or coastal ranges, was merely trying to understand your “trapped in a flat plane of existence” line.

If we want to go for some real good skiing, Utah or Colorado are short flights and will likely have much better & more consistent snow than CA has for the past decade :)

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#57
I'd love to come back, but the problem isn't with the city, it's the political situation.

Who wants to start a company or a business if the local government can arbitrarily shut down your office for several months? Who wants to live in a city that could shut down bars, restaurants, and theaters for a year. I'd rather make my own decisions based on my personal health situation. For several months a vaccinated individual and business owner could not consensually do business without a face mask. Where is the science in that?

Things might be different if there were no other options, but the US is a big place. There is a lot of competition, and life is too short to sacrifice years of your life for the whims of some bureaucrat. Ironically this is the same reason I moved to San Francisco in the first place; it was a place where diverse people and cultures had the freedom to express themselves.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#58
post #13

Honest question: why would any new tech entrepreneur want to move to SF? The prices suck, and if you need to improve your network you can meet the vast majority of tech people online (IRC, Discord, email, online conferences). Weather?

How many enormous technology companies have been founded by people affiliated with a certain school in Palo Alto which has no plans of going remote?

That seems like an extension of the class system of universities rather than a real reason to be there though.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is quite clear that with these types of articles, NYTimes is pushing an agenda.

I'm not native english speaker, is "It is quite clear" a synonym for "I'm baselessly speculating"?

Lol not always but an observer could take it that way. It’s clear to them but it is still just someone’s opinion.

Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back

#60
post #14

I moved to Austin in November after 10 years in the Bay Area and a lifetime in different parts of California. Not a chance we will move back, certainly not for decades. The most refreshing part of the change is that people are genuinely nicer and more friendly around here than anywhere I lived in California (OC, SD, SF, Berkeley, Stockton for college). I really didn’t expect that, which I think was probably due to cr…

> I really didn’t expect that, which I think was probably due to crude stereotypes Californians like to spread about Texas. Portland likes to spread crude stereotypes about Californians just the same. When I visited San Diego I was truly surprised at how nice everyone was. Outside of Hawaii, it was the nicest encounter I'd had with large groups of people ever. Some of the folks I encountered in Sacramento, SF, and Sa…

Outside of places that have serious economic/societal issues, generalizing cities as being "nice" or not is absurd. It all depends on the crowd you're around and/or which part of town you are in. Especially annoying is when someone compares the slow-paced, affluent suburb they move to with a high-paced, downtown area they left.
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