Literally six months ago: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/technology/san-francisco-...
It's almost like a trend can change over time. Especially with the rise of vaccines and the progress on pandemic control.
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
The decline of SF is seen as an indictment of progressivism run amok. From a card-carrying progressive Ezra Klein: “If progressivism can’t work there, why should the country believe it can work anywhere else?” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/opinion/california-san-fr...
progressivism isn’t the problem in SF, I’m not sure how anyone can think their city level policies are progressive
SF isn’t idealistic/fantasy progressivism, it is what it progressivism looks like in practice.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
The decline of SF is seen as an indictment of progressivism run amok. From a card-carrying progressive Ezra Klein: “If progressivism can’t work there, why should the country believe it can work anywhere else?” https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/opinion/california-san-fr...
How is massive consolidation of wealth for VCs and unicorn startups, fueled by a speculative investment environment, seen as "progressive?"
NYT complains about that, too.
Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back
#44I moved to Austin in November after 10 years in the Bay Area and a lifetime in different parts of California. Not a chance we will move back, certainly not for decades. The most refreshing part of the change is that people are genuinely nicer and more friendly around here than anywhere I lived in California (OC, SD, SF, Berkeley, Stockton for college). I really didn’t expect that, which I think was probably due to cr…
Dont worry, most of California is moving to Texas, so Texas will be just like California in no time, long before "decades", so you will not need to move back California is coming to you
Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back
#45Who pays for these kinds of articles? Is there some PR firm Big Tech funds to get these kinds of articles? Just doesn't seem like the type of stuff NYTimes really cares about but I guess clicks is all that matters.
It is quite clear that with these types of articles, NYTimes is pushing an agenda.
I'm not native english speaker, is "It is quite clear" a synonym for "I'm baselessly speculating"?
Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back
#46Most of these articles were written from a certain perspective for a certain demographic. I have friends with kids, who are minorities, who have decent/good paying jobs and they never entertained the idea for a second of moving from the Bay Area.
We chatted weighing the good and bad of going full remote and moving to a less expensive city. Racism in SF or LA is bad, but it's a known quantity. Being a minority and having to deal with racism in Boise, Idaho, for example, was something they didn't feel comfortable with.
Also, as a Miami native who's been to some of the meetups and gatherings (we never really shut down) it's been interesting. So far I've seen more of the finance and marketing side of tech companies than the tech side. I've been meeting with different startups to learn more of their tech stack and to see if they're recruiting and rarely has the architect been there. I'm not sure how that bodes for Miami being a tech incubator if the SWEs are so hard to find.
Re: Tech workers swore off the Bay Area, now they’re coming back
#47It's almost as if we shouldn't generalize short term trends in the middle of a generational event into long term predictions.
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It is quite clear that with these types of articles, NYTimes is pushing an agenda.
"it is quite clear" sounds very much like an euphemism for "I just believe that" here.
Yea seriously. How is population shifts not in the public interest? Especially in the most expensive state in the country? If there is some agenda, I’d love to hear the reasoning behind it but COVID’s impact on cities seems like a reasonable thing to write about.
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I've been to Austin. I felt trapped in a flat plane of existence in Texas. I need mountains to escape to on my time off. But as a native Californian, I hope a lot of people move out to Texas. Several million would be a good start.
Did you spend any time in the hill country on the south/west parts of town? They have a very different feel than the flat parts.
Yes, they're nice but it's like comparing skiing in New England with skiing in the Rockies or Sierras.
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How is massive consolidation of wealth for VCs and unicorn startups, fueled by a speculative investment environment, seen as "progressive?"
That’s a bit of a cop out. The Bay Area had some of the most progressive politicians and progressive policies in the country. I’ve seen plenty of progressives claim “they aren’t true progressives” but that comes across as a bit of a “no true Scotsman” argument that you hear from defenders of communism. And it begs the question - if no one has been able to attain “true” whatever, is it really even an option?
"Extreme inequality ruins things" is more of a progressive belief than a conservative one. Enter SF!
How a place is governed is different from the party people run on, and the lack of accountability on results is the current failing of SF. Execution matters, not just ideas.
What is it that people think the TX government is better at? What similar challenges has the government of, say, Fort Worth faced as SF, and what solution did it have? NIMBYism and other such fun aspects are alive and well there, so if you throw the rapid change and influx of huge money at it, you're going to see some shit. Show me the policies existing in a TX city you'd use to fix SF.
You'll be helped by the massive amount of land still available to sprawl into... but that's a natural difference, not a political one!