Some states push to ban “discrimination” against unvaccinated people

Post by adriancr » Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 11:55 AM UTC

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> "vaccines that do not provide sterilizing immunity" Here's the flaw in your argument. All vaccines provide immunity so the study does not apply. > because the therapy doesn't prevent infection nor spreading of the virus) Wrong. Biontech - 95% of the population is immune. It prevents spread to 95% of vaccinated people. The rest for some reason or another it doesn't work. So you build your whole argument on a logical…

Wrong. Again: Pfizer's chief scientific officer, Mikael Dolsten, said the recently reported dip in the vaccine's effectiveness in Israel was mostly due to infections in people who had been vaccinated in January or February. The country's health ministry said vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% in June. 95% is based on faulty/old data. https://www.reuters.com/business…

Post by codeflow2202 » Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

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Wrong. Again: Pfizer's chief scientific officer, Mikael Dolsten, said the recently reported dip in the vaccine's effectiveness in Israel was mostly due to infections in people who had been vaccinated in January or February. The country's health ministry said vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection and symptomatic disease fell to 64% in June. 95% is based on faulty/old data. https://www.reuters.com/business…

> vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection Oh man... so you do agree with me it prevents infection... You are contradicting yourself... So, its not 95 its 64, it still gives immunity... check mate?

Post by codeflow2202 » Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 1:36 PM UTC

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I do know people from India. But these are the numbers like it or not. You seem to be cherry picking only the numbers that convalidate your vision. I can't tell how much of it is undercounting in India, how much is overcounting in the USA, and how much of it is that the friends and family networks in India count hundreds of people as opposed to the westerner ones.

Numbers are usually fudged, especially in corrupt countries. It's also easy to have good numbers if you issue negative results without doing the actual tests and if you count the deaths as that of something else. Hints of the false tests are: - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/4/20/49-passengers-on-in... - all of the ones that were positive had negative PCR tests... done in india Similar things were happening in C…

Post by adriancr » Thu, Jul 15, 2021, 2:37 PM UTC

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> vaccine effectiveness in preventing both infection Oh man... so you do agree with me it prevents infection... You are contradicting yourself... So, its not 95 its 64, it still gives immunity... check mate?

Wrong. Definition of immunity: Protection from an infectious disease. If you are immune to a disease, you can be exposed to it without becoming infected. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/imz-basics.htm If it prevents infection in 64% of cases it doesn't grant immunity.