Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

Post by eropple » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 8:25 PM UTC

nomemerror wrote: post #100

nemothekid wrote: post #21

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> Their only winning move was to stay neutral and do nothing but comply with legal requests. No? This narrative is a bit ahistorical - and it's fueled by this idea that hyperliberal boogeyman started censoring everything. If you look at what happened in 2017, Google started "censoring" things because advertisers threatened to boycott . The platforms couldn't stay neutral because advertisers became more and more conce…

So people on HN suffer from memory loss? 'hyoerliveral boogeyman' is actually a very accurate description of the pervasive and ongoing censorship across platforms, service providers, and many others. What else do you call the complete removal of parler? The on going suppression of covid news? The ongoing suppression of even discussing the 2020 election fraud? Facebook warning people that they are being exposed to ext…

Post by the_optimist » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

strogonoff wrote: post #31

throwawayswede wrote: post #2

Good. I'd rather live in chaos than a world controlled by these technocrats. Let's do Twitter while we're at it.

Losing control is what big social wants. The more they are regulated, the more intimate they are with the government, the safer and more entrenched their status. They already enjoy network effects and lock-in of their users; more rules widen the moat around the established players who got huge in the early unregulated days.

Post by namlem » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

throwawayswede wrote: post #144

namlem wrote: post #114

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The "marketplace of ideas" is a fiction that has long since been debunked. The best ideas arent the ones that win out, it's the loudest ones and the ones that appeal to our most base emotions that win. Only a small percentage of people actually possess intellectual curiosity. Most just mindlessly follow social trends.

> The "marketplace of ideas" is a fiction that has long since been debunked I don't think it's been "debunked" as you say. Provide evidence. A few examples is not evidence to make such a blanket statement. > The best ideas arent the ones that win out, it's the loudest ones and the ones that appeal to our most base emotions that win. Again, very much disagree with this. If you look short term that may be true, but lon…

Post by cratermoon » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 8:27 PM UTC

syshum wrote: post #129

SamBam wrote: post #103

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Consumers objecting to content is as old as television, and even older, and is certainly not owned by "hyperliberals." For example, Conservatives demanded radio stations stop playing the Beatles, and, only slightly more recently, the Dixie Chicks. They called up advertisers as well. You could probably find people complaining to artists' patrons in Medieval texts, if you looked.

Nice what-aboutism... Yes Conservatives used to be just as bad, I was out there in the 90's complaining about authoritarian conservatives. We libertarians did not mind our flank and Authoritarian liberals today are about 10000000x more of an issue than even the most extreme bible thumping conservative from the 90's ever was

Post by walkedaway » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 8:29 PM UTC

anm89 wrote: post #8

Naval Ravikant seems to be a divisive figure here but I think he made a profound point when he discussed this topic on Joe Rogan's podcast. The point was that, as a platform, you cross a line which is very difficult to ever revert when you optionally censor your platform in response to political pressure because both sides are then forced from a game theory perspective to aggressively pursue censoring your platform i…