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Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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Naval Ravikant seems to be a divisive figure here but I think he made a profound point when he discussed this topic on Joe Rogan's podcast. The point was that, as a platform, you cross a line which is very difficult to ever revert when you optionally censor your platform in response to political pressure because both sides are then forced from a game theory perspective to aggressively pursue censoring your platform i…

>Their only winning move was to stay neutral and do nothing but comply with legal requests.

No? This narrative is a bit ahistorical - and it's fueled by this idea that hyperliberal boogeyman started censoring everything.

If you look at what happened in 2017, Google started "censoring" things because advertisers threatened to boycott. The platforms couldn't stay neutral because advertisers became more and more concerned with staying out of any potential scandal.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

#22
post #16

I'm not sure I like the notion of a private entity being forced to host content they don't want to host. If it only applied to effective monopolies like YouTube, I would be more inclined to agree with it, but the article doesn't seem to know anything about that.

They are not forced to do anything but live up to the contract they signed.

Google signed a contract? Do you have the text of this contract?

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

#23
post #8

Naval Ravikant seems to be a divisive figure here but I think he made a profound point when he discussed this topic on Joe Rogan's podcast. The point was that, as a platform, you cross a line which is very difficult to ever revert when you optionally censor your platform in response to political pressure because both sides are then forced from a game theory perspective to aggressively pursue censoring your platform i…

> The platform ends up being collateral damage in some political war they never cared about in the first place and they can never win because no matter who they bend too, it automatically enrages the other side. To me, the fact that they don't care about it is the problem. Those companies are having issues because they have no moral or ethical compass. It's become untenable for them to remain neutral because there is…

You seem to assume that if they cared, they'd be on your side. What makes you think that that's the case? They are first and foremost accountable to shareholders who want profit. It's unlikely that they view the world the same way you do. You probably don't want them throwing their weight around

You can argue that you don't like that they are accountable to their shareholders but it is true.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

#24
post #16

I'm not sure I like the notion of a private entity being forced to host content they don't want to host. If it only applied to effective monopolies like YouTube, I would be more inclined to agree with it, but the article doesn't seem to know anything about that.

They are not forced to do anything but live up to the contract they signed.

Do you have some more details about this? Because there's nothing informative in the article.

I find it extremely difficult to believe that Google signed a contract obligating it to host any and all content uploaded by the user, regardless of what it is. But hey, I've been surprised before.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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post #8

Naval Ravikant seems to be a divisive figure here but I think he made a profound point when he discussed this topic on Joe Rogan's podcast. The point was that, as a platform, you cross a line which is very difficult to ever revert when you optionally censor your platform in response to political pressure because both sides are then forced from a game theory perspective to aggressively pursue censoring your platform i…

> Their only winning move was to stay neutral and do nothing but comply with legal requests. No? This narrative is a bit ahistorical - and it's fueled by this idea that hyperliberal boogeyman started censoring everything. If you look at what happened in 2017, Google started "censoring" things because advertisers threatened to boycott . The platforms couldn't stay neutral because advertisers became more and more conce…

In the beginning, but now both sides see them as the enemy of the people. One side thinks they censor too much and the other thinks not enough. So YouTube is now caught in a political game of trying to appease whichever party is in power lest they get regulated. Hence why Trump stayed on Twitter until he was out of office.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

#27
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. It's definitely not enough to send people off their loops. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. My prediction is that in the next 2 to 3 years more detail will emerge on the massive scam that is lockdowns. I don't expect people to go back and evaluate their behavior towards others who did not believe the media scam (from people being aggressive towards people deciding not to wear mask for example),…

Youtube classified this as "misinformation". They have the power to crush any voice and they are. I hope a crisis takes some power away from them.

In a sense, if people don't stop bullshit, no one will stop it for them. The state can't and shouldn't (ideally) stop YouTube from removing what they don't want to host, but people should hold YouTube accountable. If people don't stop using YouTube to make a point to them that their arbitrary decisions are not ok with them, nothing will really stop them. With that being said, I'm always hopeful that people will eventually see that forcefully removing something from the conversation (aka banning it, like banning doctors talking their successful experiences with hydroxychloroquine very early because some kids at youtube believe that a political org like WHO is more credible than actual experienced doctors) won't eliminate it, it'll just make it grow in the shadows, allowing other scammers to make use of the situation. And the cycle continues.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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post #10

Good. I'd rather live in chaos than a world controlled by these technocrats. Let's do Twitter while we're at it.

State violence is being used to force a private company to host content it finds objectionable. Who's the technocrat here?

I wonder if you would agree to the following equivalent:

> State violence is being used to force a christian bakery to bake (gay/muslim/etc) cakes it finds objectionable. Who's the villain here?

The more you open service to the public, the more control over your output you lose because then it becomes a matter of discrimination.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True. It's definitely not enough to send people off their loops. But hopefully it's a step in the right direction. My prediction is that in the next 2 to 3 years more detail will emerge on the massive scam that is lockdowns. I don't expect people to go back and evaluate their behavior towards others who did not believe the media scam (from people being aggressive towards people deciding not to wear mask for example),…

Youtube classified this as "misinformation". They have the power to crush any voice and they are. I hope a crisis takes some power away from them.

Misinformation is a really dangerous concept. Sure, bad information certainly exists, but a lot of things throughout history have been labeled "misinformation" before it became confirmed information.

Re: Germany fines YouTube for removing video of anti-lockdown protest

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post #10

Good. I'd rather live in chaos than a world controlled by these technocrats. Let's do Twitter while we're at it.

State violence is being used to force a private company to host content it finds objectionable. Who's the technocrat here?

You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either Youtube needs to stop censoring videos or it needs to go through every single video it has and that gets uploaded
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