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Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by benrbray » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:08 PM UTC

guscost wrote: post #10

eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

A magazine dangling this important humanitarian story behind a “soft” paywall to sell subscriptions, no less. Imagine the reaction if they had done this with their COVID collection.

That's just capitalism for you. The same happens with all important news stories, including about covid and active warzones. It's a problem, sure, but it doesn't invalidate journalism entirely.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by JohnClark1337 » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

If it's not our fault then the problem resides in a foreign nation that we have little or no direct control over. This is unacceptable because modern journalism is focused on fighting for social justice and making the world a better place. If the US is the problem then we simply need to get more liberal democrats in office and the problem will be solved.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by FemmeAndroid » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I'm disappointed that the highest upvoted comment on a long and thoughtful read is a critique of its introduction by a different author. The quoted text requires you to even click to read more of the introduction. It's not the substance of the piece.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by FemmeAndroid » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

gregsadetsky wrote: post #4

YuukiRey wrote: post #2

Unfortunately it takes forever to load for me on a mobile phone and is pretty unreadable once loaded to the page margins and font size.

https://outline.com/CXdSrC

This doesn't successfully pull the article, just the introduction by a different author than the one attributed.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by lupire » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:14 PM UTC

nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

The name World War Two was a pretty big clue that humanity as a whole doesn't learn from its mistakes.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by CountDrewku » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

nomoreplease wrote: post #6

After visiting Auschwitz, I expected (or maybe hoped) that the world would never let it happen again. “How could they do this?”, People asked. “That would never happen today” people murmured. Yet, here we are. Reading the 15th article about it, while the White House deletes tweets that likely anger the CCP They should be removed from most favored nation status. Governments could do a lot more but don’t

After the last few months I can only assume the current administration is actually supportive of communism. At best they're ignoring the atrocities in Cuba and China, at worst they're supportive of these governments... I'm starting to think it's the latter.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:15 PM UTC

joelbluminator wrote: post #17

celticninja wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

> Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something? I am gonna make some sweeping generalization (how could you not when speaking about 1.5 billion people) but here goes: Not really, the Islamic world didn't care much about ISIS and the Syrian civil war, both of which killed and displaced millions of people. The only place where Muslims pay attention to regularly and express outrage is Palestine as far as I know. I…

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Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by elliekelly » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

> The woman operating the computer explained what I was to do. When she gave me a signal, I needed to look straight at the camera, then turn my head slowly and steadily to the right. I was then to turn at the same speed back to face the camera. Then I had to turn my head fully to the left, and back again to face the camera. At the same slow, steady speed, I was then to tilt my head back and look up, then to look straight at the camera. After that, I had to tilt my head down at the same speed and look toward the floor, and then to return to the original position. Finally, I was to slowly and completely open my mouth and hold that position. After I closed my mouth and looked steadily at the camera, my facial scan would be complete. All of these movements needed to be carried out in the assigned order in a single, uninterrupted sequence, two seconds per position. If any movement did not conform to the requirements, the computer would give a signal and stop running, after which I would have to start over from the beginning.

> ...

> My wife, who had been going through these procedures immediately after me, struggled when she came to the facial scan. The sequences for men and women differed in only one way: While men were required to open their mouths wide at the end, women had to close their mouths tightly and puff out their cheeks. I wondered what the reason was for this difference.

Does anyone know the reason for the difference?

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by lupire » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

celticninja wrote: post #7

eplanit wrote: post #5

I'm glad he made it to the US. Of course because it's The Atlantic, they were obligated to implicate the US as a co-conspirator: "Islamophobic discourses that gathered strength in the U.S. have been central to China’s efforts to justify its Xinjiang policies". Yeah, of course it's all really our fault, of course. Keep in mind, The Atlantic is a lifestyle magazine.

I fail to understand why it is the west that speaks up for these Muslims, whilst the Islamic countries remain quiet. Where is the outrage from Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran? Why are the US the ones accused of needing to do more? Shouldn't Islamic countries at least do something?

"Islamic" countries are dictatorships like China.

Re: One by One, My Friends Were Sent to the Camps

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Post by kragen » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 1:16 PM UTC

I hadn't realized that the absolute number in the Xinjiang camps --- "more than 1 million", according to the article --- is half the number of people in US prisons. It's 4% of the population of Xinjiang, compared to less than 1% of the population of the US, but of course it's 0.1% of the population of China as a whole, and there are US communities that are more heavily incarcerated.

The whole situation is appalling, in both countries, though it has not yet reached the extremes of GULAG, the US Civil War, the Great Leap Forward, the Holodomor, the Taiping Rebellion, the Holocaust, the Congo Free State, or the Killing Fields of Kampuchea. What can we do to make this kind of abuse impossible? It seems to me that only state power can create such horrors; how can we prevent it from becoming so unrestrained?