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Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you suggesting that the EU would be identical without Article 1 in place?

Considering many states outright ignore Article 1, yes

Which are these "many states" other than Poland and Hungary?

It's not like Poland and Hungary are doing so without any kind of repercussions from EU.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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"If you don't like what Hitler is doing, just ignore he's murdering millions of people".

No thanks, i'd rather organize to have this guy killed to restore just a tiny little bit of justice on earth.

You obviously have a very privileged position where you don't NEED TO work for Amazon. Lots of people are in a different position and i hope you appreciate that.

Also, you obviously have no idea about the rich history of communism. Cuba and Venezuela can hardly be described as communist ; i'll refer to Emma Goldman on describing what is or isn't communism beyond the labels: https://infokiosques.net/IMG/pdf/there_is_no_communism_in_ru...

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. There's a minimum level of humanity that we should extend to everyone. Letting a known faulty AI decide if someone will have money for food tomorrow is way across the line. I'm not surprised that treating humans like cattle on their way to slaughter is hugely profitable. But I'm not sure we want to opera…

> Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. Why do people treat working for a company as something different from selling any other services or goods? If there was a law that limited your ability to cancel a gym membership or going to a different supermarket, you would rightfully object — it's not a government's business to get involved in your…

The way it is commonly seen is that workers deserve special protection through the law to make up for the inherent power imbalance between those who employ and those who are employed.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.

I would have preferred EU to have stayed purely economic bloc without Brussels ideology and bureaucracy. Make sure that capital, people and goods move without too much friction and the rest will sort itself out in couple of generations.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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I am a fan of Amazon's digital products and devices (the Kindle e-reader, Fire TV), but have noticed I buy fewer and fewer physical products from Amazon.

This is in part, because of ideological reasons, but also because other online shops offer a better service than Amazon, and are also reasonably priced.

In particular, I dislike that it seems to me more and more products are sold by third party sellers. I don't mind paying a bit extra from a retailer with a good reputation in my own country. I don't want to have to deal with a seller who is based in the other side of the world.

Recently I made a large order of cycling gear from a specialist shop. I couldn't imagine buying it from Amazon, as I would be concerned some would be counterfeit, or only be available if it came from about 5 different sellers, all dispatching at different times.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that most propaganda comes from unions as they increasingly seek a political relationship with workers rather than the economic relationship that workers want. On any union site - there are terms like "solidarity" with images of fists raised rather than actual data about improvement of wages or working conditions. This is why unions get trounced in votes by real workers, things like Prop 22 pass with easy marg…

How are unions not inherently political? I also don't consider that a bad thing. If labour laws are going to be improved (in favor of the worker) you need to organise and negotiate and vote together and unions are an excellent way to do that. What exactly would a strictly "economic relationship" look like?

Messaging and planning that focuses more on pay / hr., PTO / break time, better working conditions rather than voicing support for an ambiguous notion of "solidarity" and purely political things like support for Palestine

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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I remember reading stories in the late 90's/early 00's of workers in the Amazon warehouse becoming millionaires thanks to stock options and big jumps in the stock price. It sounds like that does not happen anymore except for employees in the offices. Perhaps employees in the offices know recognise that Amazon has overstepped its bounds but stick around waiting for vesting and/or (smaller) increases in stock price.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. There's a minimum level of humanity that we should extend to everyone. Letting a known faulty AI decide if someone will have money for food tomorrow is way across the line. I'm not surprised that treating humans like cattle on their way to slaughter is hugely profitable. But I'm not sure we want to opera…

> Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. Why do people treat working for a company as something different from selling any other services or goods? If there was a law that limited your ability to cancel a gym membership or going to a different supermarket, you would rightfully object — it's not a government's business to get involved in your…

You can't compare selling goods to employing people in that way. Consider the fact that there are humans on both sides. Businesses can use their power to abuse employees in a way that can't be done to goods. If you are the main source of income for a person, you have massive influence over them. Government creates laws to balance the power. There are countless cases of abuse by employers including physical and sexual. Very different from selling goods or having a gym membership.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.

Everything could be worse, but let's not be blind to the problems we face here in the EU. First of which, if your rights are being infringed, then you have to wait for years and years to be able to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, only after all of your national appeals have been depleted. Which, when you know how national governments can destroy you trough legal proceedings (eg. Aaron Swartz, physical/p…

That is the whole point of the state: that it is permitted to conduct violence for its preservation. In republics/representative democracies, the people endow the state with this power via elections. It's not a utopia, but at the end of the day the ownership of the state remains with the people, that is, a collective of individually thinking voting persons. This is in utter contrast to the monarchies and despotisms that preceded modern representative democracies.

Re: Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon

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post #4

Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.

After Brexit human rights are no longer guaranteed in the UK as witnessed in the way the Home Office operates. Boris is also hell bent on making London a haven for big tech free from EU Tax regulations.
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