Does the W3C even matter anymore? I thought WHAT-WG did most of the standardization nowadays, and W3C was left deciding what to rubber stamp and what not to.
A privacy war is raging inside the W3C
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#82I used to be of the mind that ad tech et. al. weren’t really hurting anyone, and that the more extreme examples of privacy offenses were simple edge cases. That is until I switched to iOS and was given the option to hide my true email address, tell an app not to track me, and otherwise get visibility into just how much my data is getting sniffed for stupid reasons that have nothing to do with the service I’m using.
My tipping point was noticing that about 30% of my DNS traffic on my home network was Android devices calling out to tracking and advertising networks. Moving to iOS has dropped that dramatically, more than an order of magnitude.
The fact that we're now seeing multiple lawsuits, PR campaigns, and lobbying to damage Apple since they put a requirement to disclose privacy details in the App Store shows how much surveillance capitalism has twisted the world.
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#83I thought Korean soap operas were good until I read this article. What a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. The W3C always appeared to be one of the most dysfunctional entities in existence, and now the article leaves no question as to why. Funny this Rosewell guy. "Should web browsers really become implementation mechanisms of specific government regulation?" -- Isn't everything a mechanism of specific government reg…
" I thought Korean soap operas were good until I read this article. What a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. The W3C always appeared to be one of the most dysfunctional entities in existence, and now the article leaves no question as to why. " Can I introduce you to the IETF ( https://www.ietf.org/ )? :-)
The IETF isn’t so bad. There’s bikeshedding everywhere but they consistently pump out RFCs for all manner of things.
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#84I thought Korean soap operas were good until I read this article. What a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. The W3C always appeared to be one of the most dysfunctional entities in existence, and now the article leaves no question as to why. Funny this Rosewell guy. "Should web browsers really become implementation mechanisms of specific government regulation?" -- Isn't everything a mechanism of specific government reg…
> We seem to have an autocrat in the making
We already have autocrats in Facebook and Google. What they're fighting is an attempt to put them back under civil oversight.
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#86I thought Korean soap operas were good until I read this article. What a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. The W3C always appeared to be one of the most dysfunctional entities in existence, and now the article leaves no question as to why. Funny this Rosewell guy. "Should web browsers really become implementation mechanisms of specific government regulation?" -- Isn't everything a mechanism of specific government reg…
"who would prefer the Web existed in isolation of civilization" Honestly the internet was a better place when THAT was the situation sorry if I sound like a deluded man but the internet being so close to the world, or at least as much as it is now, is part of the problem. And even if I do not agree with this guy and his pretensions, at least we would have better ways to combat guys like him in the old internet, but c…
Wait, what ways did we have to combat the likes of Rosewell? I agree the old, 90s Web was much better overall than what we have today. But its openness and diversity seems to have been a temporary illusion; it was only a matter of time for it to fall to greedy, unethical corporations. Given that the W3C is run by these same corporations and that they won't be limited by their own moral constraints, it seems to me that half-assed regulatory attempts like the GDPR, while imperfect, seem like a good step in a not-completely-unoptimal direction.
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#87I thought Korean soap operas were good until I read this article. What a whole bunch of unnecessary drama. The W3C always appeared to be one of the most dysfunctional entities in existence, and now the article leaves no question as to why. Funny this Rosewell guy. "Should web browsers really become implementation mechanisms of specific government regulation?" -- Isn't everything a mechanism of specific government reg…
> Isn't everything a mechanism of specific government regulation? Um, no?
Sorry, I did not mean that literally. Point is Rosewell wants to preserve the status quo for his own personal benefit and, unsurprisingly, any kind of legislation that attempts to constrain his greed appears to him as an inconvenience.
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#88Honestly, this makes me wonder if the browser manufacturers will just "take their ball and go home."
It's probably easier for them to just get together outside of the W3C and make up a new standards committee. From what I understand, nothing in the W3C is binding, so there would be no repercussions whatsoever.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Googles business is advertising.. take away their ad revenue and see what happens to them.
Yes, but their business is search advertising. You can get really good targeting with just 1st party data (what the current user has searched for). That's completely different from display advertising. For most sites on the web there's not enough information about a user's interests on that site alone to get a lot of different bidders for the ad slot. Fewer bidders generally means the a list auction price, so less mo…
Google does a hell of a lot more than search advertising. Why do you think they bought YouTube? They also power in-app ads, too.
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#90The W3C is not a relevant institution anymore so this raging privacy war will be wholly inconsequential. Google and Apple decide what desktop and mobile browsers will behave like.