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Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by Fomite »

iammisc wrote: post #49

When my first daughter was born in 2018, I had a respiratory infection. It lasted three months before I went in to the doctor. I hesitated to seek medical advice because it was clearly viral. But the cough was so bad it was causing the newborn to wake up. The doctor (at a walk-in clinic) told me viral respiratory infections can last months and there's nothing you can do. Just wait. HE gave me some pills to stop the c…

"doctors are surprised that COVID may do the same?"

Doctors aren't. Epidemiologists aren't. We've been discussing and trying to study the long term effects of COVID-19 infections (and there were similar studies for SARS) pretty early on - the results are just long in coming, both due to the nature of the problem itself, and the pandemic.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by c6401 »

ping_pong wrote: post #46
ElViajero wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got CoVid in Osaka at the beginning of November 2019. The symptoms lasted around 5 months. I got it again in May 2021 and this time I was fully recovered in 3 weeks. I got vaccinated, even during the second infection I felt extremely tired and slightly confused, I want to minimize as much as possible the risk of repeating again. update: For all the down-votes. Time will say. But "A new study shows that first cases…

I'm sorry but Covid wasn't in Osaka in November 2019. You definitely had some other disease like the flu.

Given it was in the US at least in December 2019 if not earlier according to the NIH retrospective serology study it doesn't seem to be completely impossible. https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-study-offe... Also similar Italian serology study by National Cancer Institute showed that sars-cov-2 was circulating in Italy as early as September 2019. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-...

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by nprateem »

Grim-444 wrote: post #129

So, to summarize this study, they basically just asked a few hundred people that had Covid in the past if they had recently felt tired, depressed, had trouble sleeping, etc., and then reported that a number of the people they asked this replied yes. That's it. There was no medical evaluation of whether the reported symptoms even had a medical cause. There was no comparison to the answers a random control sampling of…

A doctor friend of mine has had it for months. She's had test after test after test. Things come back abnormal but they can't pin down what's wrong with her to treat it. The assumption is long covid - she has the tiredness, brain fog etc.

So right now I'm not sure if they really know how to test for it.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by nprateem »

Anyone know of any studies regarding whether the vaccines reduce the risk of long covid if you catch it after being double vaccinated? They're only supposed to be about 95% effective after 2 shots, so if you catch it in that 5% probability how likely is long covid afterwards?

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by dennis_jeeves »

bb2018 wrote: post #37
jacquesm wrote: post #3

One of those cases here. Symptoms: suddenly out of energy, occasionally suddenly being unable to spell, even mild physical exercise leaves me floored (and I was pretty fit for my age prior to this). So, 17 months in: it's still not back to where it used to be but if you think of it in terms of trends instead of absolutes it is definitely still improving. The downs are less far down, the fog is lifting and the energy…

I do wonder if this is proportional to your symptoms/proportional to other ailments. For instance, is someone with Covid (who was on the verge of needing oxygen) more likely to have long term symptoms than someone the same age who got the flu/pneumonia (and was also on the verge of needing oxygen). In other words - is there something unique about Covid? Or is that any disease that sets you back has serious long-term…

>In other words - is there something unique about Covid?

No is my guess, based on anecdotes, experience and observation.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by strikhedonia »

spookthesunset wrote: post #218
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #182

Been in lockdown for 18 months before I actually caught covid, to be perfectly honest most of the symptoms described for "long covid" I experienced from being locked down, after actually having covid I haven't noticed much of a difference (once my smell and taste returned, thankfully that was soon). Low energy, out of breath, etc. You have to keep in mind most of us are doing a fraction of walking around that you wou…

> Doubt we'll ever get a truly objective assessment for the past year and a half for at least 10-15 years, if ever. My daughters children maybe will have enough distance to reflect on it. Maybe her grandkids. And it won’t be pretty… this last year and a half has been the biggest public health care fuck up in recorded history. What we did with lockdowns, masks, social distancing… it’s all modern day rain dances. Just…

You think asking people to wear a piece of cloth over their face and maybe not go out to eat if they’re vulnerable is “truly horrific?”

Seems to me that, for the vulnerable portion of the population, the social distancing guidelines worked perfectly. Spend a year chilling at home in safety, get a vaccine, go back to normal. “Rain dance?” Bullshit.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by harpersealtako »

CarelessExpert wrote: post #167
spookthesunset wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> far-right talking point Expressing skepticism surrounding the efficiency of social distancing, masks, "non essential business" and all these lockdowns is not a "far right" talking point. None of our response was in any playbook for this level of threat. We threw out all our pandemic planning in a fit on hysteria and panic. To this day we cannot say for certain that lockdowns did anything at all, let alone enough to…

> Expressing skepticism surrounding the efficiency of social distancing, masks, "non essential business" and all these lockdowns is not a "far right" talking point. You're absolutely right. This kind of misinformation isn't limited to the far right. > To this day we cannot say for certain that lockdowns did anything at all, LOL, what? This is a truly astonishingly statement. Literally every place that instituted lock…

I would hope we're past the point now where we can write off legitimate complaints or concerns about the overall direction of COVID mitigation strategies implemented in most developed countries. Many well-intentioned anti-misinformation campaigns have been proven misguided and potentially harmful (for example, the debacle around the lab-leak theory, and the subsequent censorship and ostracization of anybody who dared suggest it), so we should be careful when we accuse others of arguing in bad faith, lest we repeat our past mistakes.

This isn't 2020 anymore, we should be able to take a sober look at what likely worked (universal mask-wearing, vaccines, border closures, quick contract tracing) and what may not have worked (closing otherwise safe outdoor spaces, obsessive surface cleaning, the "6-foot-rule") without judgement now.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by dennis_jeeves »

elzbardico wrote: post #27

Self-reported symptoms. And now we will have the litany of hypochondriacs that didn't even got tested for SARS-COV-2 but swear they have some misterious long term viral syndrome that in the real world, if it really exists, is extremely rare. The trash that passes as science nowadays.....

Thanks. These symptoms were always there with respiratory illness forever. And suddenly in 2021 these symptoms were given a new cause.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by fragmede »

TaupeRanger wrote: post #75
f38zf5vdt wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me varicella-zoster was the causative agent. I had a lot of trouble being taken seriously by friends/some medical staff after I said that I had serious issues after a bad infection with it, because of most people believe it to be a relatively benign disease. I think it's the case that most viruses will cause chronic disease in a small subset of people. > “If Covid didn’t cause chronic symptoms to occur in some pe…

It's frustrating but it's not a blind spot - we simply have no way to help these patients. You have brain fog and occasionally your heart feels like it's beating out of your chest for no discernable reason? Sorry, there's nothing we can do...try exercising and getting good sleep, we guess?

We (humanity) can still treat the symptoms - and the damage they cause. Eg the specific mechanism for covid-induced heart palpitations may not yet be understood, but a heart rate of 160 or even higher for prolonged periods will damage the heart. Beta blockers will manage that - but not all doctors have been willing to prescribe medication to people that clearly need it.

Re: Burden of post-Covid-19 syndrome and implications for healthcare planning

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Post by spookthesunset »

strikhedonia wrote: post #236
spookthesunset wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Doubt we'll ever get a truly objective assessment for the past year and a half for at least 10-15 years, if ever. My daughters children maybe will have enough distance to reflect on it. Maybe her grandkids. And it won’t be pretty… this last year and a half has been the biggest public health care fuck up in recorded history. What we did with lockdowns, masks, social distancing… it’s all modern day rain dances. Just…

You think asking people to wear a piece of cloth over their face and maybe not go out to eat if they’re vulnerable is “truly horrific?” Seems to me that, for the vulnerable portion of the population, the social distancing guidelines worked perfectly. Spend a year chilling at home in safety, get a vaccine, go back to normal. “Rain dance?” Bullshit.

Where is your proof any of it worked. And saying “chilling at home in safety” shows extreme privilege. Like, it boggles my head how privileged and detached people in this industry are from ordinary people. The privileged work from home class who posts here all gets to work “safely from home” on the backs of an expendable lower class workforce who takes all the risks.

What happened over the course of the last 17+ months was the largest generational and socioeconomic wealth transfer ever. The rich and privileged got more rich and privileged at the expense of those not so privileged. The old got to feel “safe” by completely screwing over the young generation, a generation who is, mind you, not at all at risk for covid.

I find it deplorable how dismissive people are about the costs of this and how intellectually lazy they are when it comes to answering if all this even had an effect worth mentioning.

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