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Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by gretch »

makeitdouble wrote: post #295
gretch wrote: post #223

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Because $16k is a high barrier to entry and future prospective buyers will read about this case and think “hey I don’t want that” and buy a Toyota instead.

Are Tesla owners that price sensitive in the first place ? They could have bought 2 Toyota Corolla for the price of long range Model 3

If Tesla owners aren't price sensitive, then why do we care? Are we up in arms that Lamborghini (cars not tractors) is going to over charge for bumper repair?

For the record, I believe the right to repair to an extent. But I believe when we back the movement with crappy data points like this one, the whole movement loses legitimacy.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by novok »

Chris2048 wrote: post #524
lexs wrote: post #513

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Electrical fires, mold, etc etc there is enough things can be dangerous and harmful in an apartment.

to people on the highway?

To others in the apartment, and potentially, the entire neighborhood if a fire gets bad enough. Don't be so literal.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by gopher_space »

lmm wrote: post #465
gopher_space wrote: post #393

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> without the consideration for long term safety and secondary effects that Tesla has probably put in. This seems like an incredibly wild assumption. The German concept of 'keine ehrfurcht fur deine maschine' will keep you from seeing every problem as a chance for your box to shine.

Searching for that phrase mainly brings up this thread, so, uh, what are you talking about?

It was a callback to KMFDM's point of view combined with a little "every problem looks like a nail" thinking that wildly missed its mark as a joke, unfortunately for me.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by makeitdouble »

gretch wrote: post #541
makeitdouble wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are Tesla owners that price sensitive in the first place ? They could have bought 2 Toyota Corolla for the price of long range Model 3

If Tesla owners aren't price sensitive, then why do we care? Are we up in arms that Lamborghini (cars not tractors) is going to over charge for bumper repair? For the record, I believe the right to repair to an extent. But I believe when we back the movement with crappy data points like this one, the whole movement loses legitimacy.

IMO this case is not just about the price, the perceived fairness plays a central role. From the article:

> Benoit and the team at Electrified Garage are huge proponents of Right to Repair and say that this is a lesson on that very subject.

I also think that it’s still a good case. The owner wanted an alternative to just throwing away the $16000 part, and found a shop that provided a legit way to do that (until proven otherwise at least).

Hopefully getting punished for choosing alternatives to Tesla to service it would be prohibited by right to repair clauses.

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Post by smileysteve »

mulmen wrote: post #535
rconti wrote: post #396

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But they've been saying that as long as I've been buying used BMWs (20 years). It's just a way of conveniently saying "you'll be wrong in the future".

My experience with BMWs is that they do tend to have ridiculous flaws, like the main bearing problems in the E90 M3s and the V10 M5s, or the fuel pump issues on the E90s in general. But BMW will set them right. The reality is BMWs just have a lot of stuff on them and so it is a numbers game. Things are going to break. Cars are a hostile environment. This is compounded by the fact that it is a BMW. I expect everything…

Thanks for the anecdote; Makes me glad I have an e46. About the only thing that didn't make it 80k miles on my car was the plastic headlight reflectors. (and that coolant expansion tank that fails 5 years on the dot)

I'm also lucky enough to be trained in vehicle maintenance; The only service I've had done by professionally were recalls and when I didn't have garage available to do the expansion tank (and Pep Boys didn't have a supply chain, so I got my choice in parts)

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by simondotau »

techrat wrote: post #532
simondotau wrote: post #492

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The only difference between Apple and its competitors (Dell, Acer, Samsung, etc) is that Apple's shiny brand image makes content like Louis Rossmann's compelling. If the same treatment was applied to the likes of Dell and Acer, they'd be looking just as bad if not far, far worse than Apple. (To be clear, the above is regarding Apple's engineering specifically, not about their business practices. I agree that Apple's…

Funny because I've never had problems with, what is commonly accepted as the lowest of the three you mentioned: Acer, like I have with Apple. I have an old Chromebook C710 that just. will. not. die. My Partner's newer Macbook only has one working USB port now. There are more Apple products in my product history graveyard than everything else. Combined. I've long come to the conclusion that people simply treated their…

Fascinating. My own experience has been exactly the opposite. Every single Apple product I've ever bought has worked perfectly for their entire useful life. My own Apple graveyard is a stack of devices in perfect working condition. Whereas I'm looking at my pile of non-Apple devices and every single one of them had to be repaired, replaced or abandoned due to hardware failures. I've had to replace numerous Lenovo tablets and the last (expensive!) Dell laptop I bought started randomly crashing upon resume from sleep.

And don't get me started on the Microsoft Surface Book. My partner (who worked at Microsoft) chose this as their work laptop. Junk. Driver problems. DRIVER PROBLEMS on MICROSOFT'S own hardware, managed by MICROSOFT'S own IT department.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by Chris2048 »

novok wrote: post #542
Chris2048 wrote: post #524

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to people on the highway?

To others in the apartment, and potentially, the entire neighborhood if a fire gets bad enough. Don't be so literal.

Don't be so literal? You want me to abstract enough so that you're right?

car and house insurance are different. Trying for spurious similarities to suggest otherwise bears no useful insights.

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Post by kwhitefoot »

Sebb767 wrote: post #501
kwhitefoot wrote: post #479

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Google Translate says: 'no respect for your machine'. Still not quite sure what the poster meant.

A possibly more accurate translation, depending on how "Erfurcht" is read, might be "don't deify the machine", as in "don't hesitate because you fear you can not understand it" (I'm German myself). This interpretation would somewhat make sense in the context.

Thank you, that makes much more sense.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by abenga »

marcosdumay wrote: post #137
cptskippy wrote: post #59

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> I don't get why that part isn't shielded for one.. There's a whole series of WTFs in this video. * Guy failed to get full coverage on a leased vehicle. * Tesla released car to him without verifying coverage. * Road debris hitting the bottom of the car can result in $16k in damage. * Tesla let him drive off with car after he rejected repair and knowing he didn't have comprehensive coverage. * Critical part of batter…

> because they saved some money by having cooling line fittings be fixed plastic instead of threaded inserts Save a few cents here, a few cents there, and suddenly your $40k car is an astonishing $200 cheaper! Honestly, I never understood why companies do that. It just creates bad PR all around, and nobody chooses a product based on those minuscule differences. Maybe it's more for planed obsolescence than for cost cu…

And if you sell a million cars, that's 200 million saved.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Post by coupdejarnac »

kube-system wrote: post #506
bserge wrote: post #432

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It's more likely they used plastic simply because they could mould the whole thing.

I am sure that is the case. I was never suggesting that this part was intentionally chosen to be plastic because nothing else could work. There’s hundreds of materials you can make a fitting out of, and likely dozens of materials would work, with varying pros and cons. I’m saying this is typically a problem that would have a carefully engineered solution.

All this says to me is that you don't have any experience fixing plumbing, HVAC, or anything related. This whole line of reason has been completely ridiculous, and you ought to just stop.
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