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Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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A lot of the COVID19 stuff only has a population size (NOT EVEN sample size) of like, 15. Ex: J&J's blood clot issue. People make conclusions off of tinier sample sizes. There are plenty of scientific studies with just 50 or 100 people, but you need to keep the small numbers in mind. As long as sampling was done correctly, then small sample size won't matter much !!

People make conclusions based on tiny sample sizes when the results fit their biases. Most studies are worthless due to small sample sizes and confounding variables, and most “conclusions” are based on cherry-picked outliers. The fact that it’s common to do this doesn’t make it responsible or correct.

have you taken intro statistics? all small sample sizes do is require your effect to be more pronounced to still be statistically significant.

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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Having a poll in the field for two days is pretty common, and n=258 is definitely enough for a representative sample.

- This was not a poll. - Being common doesn't mean it's good or acceptable. In this case, it doesn't account for the effects of day of the week, or what sort of issues the person was having on that day specifically. - n=258 is enough if it was sampled properly, and they provide no details to show that it was, so it wasn't. They provided nothing more than the engineers they surveyed were in the UK. Nothing on experien…

> "It doesn't account for... what sort of issues the person was having on that day specifically"

I'm not clear on what you are suggesting here. Are you saying they should contact people multiple times to make sure they weren't having a bad day the first time around?

2-3 days is common because any longer than that and the survey results will no longer be reflective of a specific point in time.

Also, if you check their crosstabs they have breakdowns for gender and age.

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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People make conclusions based on tiny sample sizes when the results fit their biases. Most studies are worthless due to small sample sizes and confounding variables, and most “conclusions” are based on cherry-picked outliers. The fact that it’s common to do this doesn’t make it responsible or correct.

have you taken intro statistics? all small sample sizes do is require your effect to be more pronounced to still be statistically significant.

Ah, then I guess that's why so few "statistically significant" studies end up being contradicted by further research...

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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Your criticism of the sample size is unfounded. You absolutely can have meaningful results with only 258 people provided you have good sampling. If you want to criticize their sampling, then by all means do it, but that's not what you've done here.

Normal election poling uses 1k sample size as a minimum and 3k is preferred.

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Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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FAANGs maintain their code? Impossible.

The newbies who haven’t figured out that new projects = promotions will do it.

It's worth mentioning that this is a myth. Invisible maintenance work on old products can be very impactful if done correctly.

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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When we get into "total population" statistics, we kinda leave the realm of statistics lol. There's 15 documented adverse events, but we don't really know how many adverse events there were in total. If we simply study those 15 adverse events, then your population study is only those 15 events (with a hell-of-a-lot of selection bias). ---------- But I'm mostly thinking about how one person I know thinks: "Did you hea…

> When we get into "total population" statistics, we kinda leave the realm of statistics lol. Not even close to accurate.

When there's an election or census over some particular figure, there's no "+/-" or "standard deviation".

If the election count is say, 48% for A and 50% for B and 2% other, that's that. You don't have error bars, you don't have student-t tests, you don't have random varaibles, you don't have "confidence intervals". You assume you have the ground truth. You have a precise number assumed to be without error.

Its actually a fundamentally different kind of math than what is typically taught in statistic classes (standard error vs standard deviation. R-values, random variables, etc. etc.)

When it comes to "total population" style information gathering, the questions of reliability are about whether-or-not you in fact, grabbed the total population... and nothing really "mathematical" (such as what are my 95% confidence interval?)

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When people say 600,000 died of COVID19 in the USA, there's no error bar, standard deviation, or random variable on that number. It is what it is: the ground truth according to a particular source.

And when you have a 2nd source of information with slightly different numbers (ex: State databases vs US level databases), you have a non-mathematical problem for how to resolve the apparent contradiction.

There's no "metastudy" over other surveys. There's no "resample again", there's no reproducibility. These statistical concepts and tests simply do not apply. If you do in fact decide to conduct a 2nd census, you will find that the numbers will differ in practice (ex: recounting the same set of ballots a 2nd time). But there's no underlying mathematical model for why this happens, as is the case in typical population statistics (student t-test assumes a standard error over a standard deviation of a hypothetical sample, etc. etc.)

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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You may have been incredibly lucky, or have a secret sauce I don't understand. I've worked a pair of maintenace positions. The previous one was incredibly creaky and had no other systems, so changes were scary and there was no recourse to move to something else. The only I'm working now I'm maintaining client code so I don't have any agency there either. Maybe it's agency? Ultimately I don't feel like my contribution…

Yeah, maybe agency. I don't know. It helps that I'm fairly social for an introverted engineer. One of the biggest systems change I ever made was related to a legacy url that the main page had to use. It seems like the type of thing that should be simple to make, but due to the sheer amounts of redirects and multiple systems involved it was really painful to change the primary domain. Only like 2 people in the company…

It's probably company attitude towards agency as well - my time is tracked and recorded against client budgets and tasks. I can't spend an afternoon tinkering if it's not based upon a client's requirement.

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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have you taken intro statistics? all small sample sizes do is require your effect to be more pronounced to still be statistically significant.

Ah, then I guess that's why so few "statistically significant" studies end up being contradicted by further research...

Yeah, given the track record of surveys/studies, you’re better off assuming the opposite conclusions that they claim to validate.

Re: Study finds 83% of software developers feel burnout

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Mind explaining? As institutional day care? I believe it.

I wouldn’t go that far. I do think that, particularly for primary education, some people tend to overinflate the importance of teachers as academic experts and discount their social importance. The value that school provides kids, parents, and the community is multifaceted. If anything, primary educations are very important, but not because kids learn basic arithmetic, but because they learn the foundational social c…

I would go as far as to say school is industrial daycare. Asserting that schools provide value to society because people learn things within their boundaries is, in my opinion, like saying that caffeine pills provide value to tired people by helping them stay awake. It's not wrong per se, but it's a hackneyed solution that doesn't address the root cause of the problem. "Our citizens are illiterate and don't understand mathematics? I know; let's kidnap their children and store those children in warehouses for 18 years while they learn morals and social values from each other instead of from productive adults."

The "foundational social concepts" children learn in school are taught to them by full-time teachers, who are only capable of repeating various myths about society that they themselves believe. The effective method to learn foundational social concepts is to live in and contribute to society, not to sit in a sterile, age-segregated social environment and listen to quarter-truths spoken by apathetic non-experts, and then be tested on arbitrary collections of unrelated fact.

I am not arguing against the concept of education in general, but the notion that it can be taught in school is, I think, one of the most damaging problems in society. You simply cannot learn quickly and efficiently as a numbered head in a sea of competitors; good, proper learning takes time, personal attention, discipline, and does not pace itself to a standardized schedule. I offer this essay, not as the foundation of my anti-school beliefs (which are supported by dozens of studies, hundreds of essays, and thousands of personal experiences), but as the same literary aperitif that allowed me to ask myself "what if school isn't good for society?"

https://www.cantrip.org/gatto.html

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