More on Vaccine Side Effects
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More on Vaccine Side Effects
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#2Now that the vaccine injuries can no longer be hidden from the public, the industry seeks to capture the discussion to retain their influence on public opinion. The core of the argument is risk assessment based on the statistics that they provided. The problem is, if they were lying about existence vaccine injuries, what is to stop them from lying about the statistics?
A better solution to restore a proper feedback mechanism for public safety would be to bring back full liability in the court of law to the manufacturers, practitioners, & providers. If they are negligent, they pay damages. If there is criminal misconduct, they go to prison. If they commit genocide, they are executed.
The contract between the citizens & the government is that the government protects the people from harm. If the government is to have credibility of authority, then it needs to take real action to protect the public from people who do the public harm.
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#3I would have noded and approved this article 24 hours ago.
Now vaccination is about to be made de-facto mandatory in France (with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in.) ; and I know that I'm going to be a bit less receptive, because of the tension between "this is sane science" and "this is a terrible bet on the future from a politician that got a lot of things wrong in the past."
That will probably last only for a few days ; I suppose I'll be back on the "let's trust science and hope for the best" _team_ in a few days. The cognitive dissonance is not particularly pleasant.
And I hate being forced into a _team_.
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#4Now that the vaccine injuries can no longer be hidden from the public, the industry seeks to capture the discussion to retain their influence on public opinion. The core of the argument is risk assessment based on the statistics that they provided. The problem is, if they were lying about existence vaccine injuries, what is to stop them from lying about the statistics? A better solution to restore a proper feedback m…
They know that they would never be able to stay in business in that case.
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#5I would have noded and approved this article 24 hours ago. Now vaccination is about to be made de-facto mandatory in France (with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in.) ; and I know that I'm going to be a bit less receptive, because of the tension between "this is sane science" and "this is a terrible bet on the future from a politician that got a lot o…
> with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in.
It's not mandatory, unless you consider restaurants and travel to be necessities one needs ( and you can still use a test in lieu of a vaccine certificate, and tests are still free)
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#6I would have noded and approved this article 24 hours ago. Now vaccination is about to be made de-facto mandatory in France (with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in.) ; and I know that I'm going to be a bit less receptive, because of the tension between "this is sane science" and "this is a terrible bet on the future from a politician that got a lot o…
> The cognitive dissonance is not particularly pleasant
It's not unexpected though, is it? Certain personality types, and to a large extent certain cultures, reflexively push back when forced to do something, even if it's a Good Idea or something they'd do or have already done anyway.
While that reflex may have downsides (like the current situation with vaccines), from a societal standpoint, it's a strong check against abuse of power.
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#7So the fact that we as world do a really bad job at vaccinating in countries with lower income will ultimately assure that new strains show up that are even more resistant against the vaccine?
Is there any data if we are even fast enough? I mean some people are closer to their third shot than others getting their first in developing countries.
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#8I would have noded and approved this article 24 hours ago. Now vaccination is about to be made de-facto mandatory in France (with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in.) ; and I know that I'm going to be a bit less receptive, because of the tension between "this is sane science" and "this is a terrible bet on the future from a politician that got a lot o…
> with a snarky timing that will prevent some people from getting all their shots before restrictions pop in. It's not mandatory, unless you consider restaurants and travel to be necessities one needs ( and you can still use a test in lieu of a vaccine certificate, and tests are still free)
The full extend of the restrictions is still to be announced / debated, but the first echo indicates that even going to the mall for grocery shopping, to the pharmarcy for medecines or to the hospital for doc appointment might be restricted.
Tests should not be free anymore sometimes in automn.
That's why I meant by "de facto".
Plus, we're talking about "restaurants" and "bars" in France. That borders on "necessities" ;)
To be honest, my biggest issue is the timing, though time will tell if it was necessary (playing catch-up with an exponential, once again...)
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#9Now that the vaccine injuries can no longer be hidden from the public, the industry seeks to capture the discussion to retain their influence on public opinion. The core of the argument is risk assessment based on the statistics that they provided. The problem is, if they were lying about existence vaccine injuries, what is to stop them from lying about the statistics? A better solution to restore a proper feedback m…
The focus on GBS is clearly cherry-picking one of the rarer and more transient adverse side effects, observed in a by now barely used vaccine, in order to take up oxygen in the vaccine risks discussion and present the appearance of being on top of it. Says a lot that it is getting as much FDA attention as myocarditis, which is much more common (Israel estimated between 1 in 3000 and 1 in 6000 in men 16 to 24, far higher than the deceptive "few per million" presented in the article) and potentially more lasting.
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#10So the fact that we as world do a really bad job at vaccinating in countries with lower income will ultimately assure that new strains show up that are even more resistant against the vaccine? Is there any data if we are even fast enough? I mean some people are closer to their third shot than others getting their first in developing countries.
> So the fact that we as world do a really bad job at vaccinating in countries with lower income will ultimately assure that new strains show up that are even more resistant against the vaccine?
Exactly what would be the feasible logistical plan to put a shot in the arm of every single person on the entire planet at nearly the same time in order to (supposedly) forestall the evolution of new variants? Is there any historical precedent for this having been accomplished in the past with a virus as endemic as SARS-CoV-2? One which can also hide out and mutate in animal reservoirs?