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Re: Delta Variant

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Post by effie »

deregulateMed wrote: post #157

Not sure why science/math minded people are buying into any COVID Fears. The death rates are 1 percent, and it particularly targets old and obese people. I have no problem getting vaccinated and paying for n95 masks for old and obese people. But COVID reminds me of post 9-11 terrorist fears. Statistically insignificant and gets people glued to TVs. Instead of the military industrial complex winning tax dollars, big p…

> Not sure why science/math minded people are buying into any COVID Fears.

It's a way to feel important and make money. Exposure, likes, quotes, clicks. People love audience.

Kudos to scientists/science presenters who keep their cool and present a balanced view of COVID-related information despite the widespread censorship and hit pieces. I can recommend dr. Mobeen Syed's YT channel, he's bringing in interesting guests (often doctors) where they discuss all new knowledge on COVID treatments, vaccines etc.

Re: Delta Variant

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Post by bamboozled »

aeternum wrote: post #167
motohagiography wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate having to be skeptical of this stuff, because the consequences of skeptics being accurate are even more horrifying than the pandemic. This is so challenging because when you look at each number he uses, and then compare it to its base rate, you can see why hesitancy levels are 30-50% in regions of developed countries. If you are among that cohort of people in your region who are not vaccinated, should you get…

There are many reasons people choose not to get the vaccine. What evidence do you have that the main issue is a distrust of authority? The main authority on this, the FDA has not even officially approved the vaccine and likely won't for quite awhile. For some people it is logical to ask why other vaccines require 10year+ trials and for this a few months was sufficient. While personally, I think the risk of the virus…

Thanks for writing this, I'm still on the fence about taking it for this reason, it was rushed and the longer term implications are certainly still not fully understood.

Edit: Again with the downvotes, it's a fact. No one has had this vaccine for 3,5 or 10 years. The long term effects cannot be fully understood until such time has lapsed and studies have been completed. Here, the creator of mRNA vaccines discusses the topic [1].

I'm not saying people shouldn't take it, but there are certain realities that don't have to be ignored.

[1] https://www.bitchute.com/video/ukx8L3lh5CA7/

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Post by skybrian »

deregulateMed wrote: post #157

Not sure why science/math minded people are buying into any COVID Fears. The death rates are 1 percent, and it particularly targets old and obese people. I have no problem getting vaccinated and paying for n95 masks for old and obese people. But COVID reminds me of post 9-11 terrorist fears. Statistically insignificant and gets people glued to TVs. Instead of the military industrial complex winning tax dollars, big p…

A 1% death rate (10,000 micromorts) may not be Russian roulette but it’s scary high by modern standards. Compare with skydiving (8 per jump) or giving birth (120 or 170 micromorts, depending).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

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Post by dna_polymerase »

deregulateMed wrote: post #157

Not sure why science/math minded people are buying into any COVID Fears. The death rates are 1 percent, and it particularly targets old and obese people. I have no problem getting vaccinated and paying for n95 masks for old and obese people. But COVID reminds me of post 9-11 terrorist fears. Statistically insignificant and gets people glued to TVs. Instead of the military industrial complex winning tax dollars, big p…

> Not sure why science/math minded people are buying into any COVID Fears.

Oh simple. They actually understand math.

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Post by bamboozled »

OzyM wrote: post #169
ElectronCharge wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ignoring the higher risk of major long-term damage incurred by letting yourself get sick when you could've been vaccinated, I don't understand how this thought process accounts for anyone else. What if my main reason for getting vaccinated is to lower my chance of infecting an immunocompromised person I care about? Even if I could somehow be 100% certain that if I were to be infected it'd be fully asymptomatic, the v…

But you can still infect other people? It's a non-sterilizing vaccine?

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Post by cr1895 »

fredros wrote: post #103
GateCrasher wrote: post #83

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The Netherlands has a decent vaccination rate (38.5% fully vaccinated, something like 66% has received their first shot). The delta variant is wreaking havoc here. The number of cases went from 500 to 10 000 in 3 weeks... Yes this coincided with very poor decision making on the government side (deciding to open all clubs/bars for people who had a negative tests), but still something to be taken serious. So far the #…

> wreaking havoc VS > the # of hospitalizations have stayed low Who shall I believe?

I would consider the abrupt cancellation of all festivals that had merely weeks ago been granted permission by the government to go ahead, as well as yet another imposed restriction on horeca to be wreaking havoc.

What will likely come soon is reimposed restrictions on Dutch travelers by other European countries, just as people had been given the go ahead.

The government’s test-for-entry system has also shown itself to be problematic.

It is fantastically disruptive. “Wreaking havoc” is certainly accurate.

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Post by trts »

tpoacher wrote: post #145

I honestly don't know how to feel about Tomas Pueyo. He's very opinionated about what he writes, and has gained good readership and influencer status on this topic. It's clear in his writings that he fancies himself as an "amateur of expert insight". He may be 100% correct. He may also be 100% wrong. It's hard to tell (let alone without invoking the conditional fallacy). However, the most lasting impression I have of…

This is a lesson I don't see the general population learning very well over the past 5-7 years. Just because somebody throws a tantrum over their stance about a moral quandary does not make them better informed about its resolutions. And often there are no resolutions proposed anyway, which can be hard to notice beneath the sound and fury.

It also seems to be often the most natural approach taken by people who make a living from gaming the attention economy. It isn't about the merits of one idea or another but the engagement it generates from outrage, self-righteousness or other reactionary emotions.

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Post by mousepilot »

selectodude wrote: post #144
mousepilot wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My current thinking is for the unvaccinated, its a terrible thing not to be able to take advantage of the vaccine and I tend to wear masks even being vaccinated because of this. I initially thought that all the vaccine refusenics were politically motivated but I've revised that after actually talking to some folks about why they don't want it. Still even with me still masking up in many situations, its probably a fut…

The background reasons for not wanting to get vaccinated are not medically indicated. Unless you have a PEG allergy (which means you need to get Janssen instead of Pfoderna) the CDC has zero contraindications for the vaccine. If somebody doesn't want the vaccine, that's on them. I have family members who won't get vaccinated and will give you a shopping list of reasons why they "can't". They're all bullshit.

I do feel frustrated with the vaccine hesitancy but I'm finding that folks fears are real, if not completely rational.

I would think that a straightforward comparison of the risks of getting vaccination versus getting infected would be enough, but I also understand that sometimes fears are simply not based on rational thought.

In my case, one aspect of wearing a big scary kn95 mask is my way of reminding the unvaccinated that this virus is still around, heh maybe thats me being a bit of a pain by intruding into folks fantasy of the virus not being a thing anymore.

Right now, my county of residence has a vaccination rate of under 40 percent among folks 60 years or older and thats crazy, but cases have been at zero for a bit. I'm thinking that this won't last, and this county I live in is a giant target for the delta variant. I hope wearing a big ugly mask about town might remind folks that covid19 is still a thing to think about.

Re: Delta Variant

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Post by specialist »

usrusr wrote: post #32

Is seems kind of logical in hindsight: the first mutation of the predecessor bat/pangolin/whatever virus genome to cross over to humans is an MVP full of "compatibility bugs" that barely achieves R0>1. A few billion dicerolls later many of those "compatibility bugs" have found fixes. Remember the hand washing phase of the pandemic? Aerosol transmission was basically ruled out because it was assumed that spread would…

> Remember the hand washing phase of the pandemic?

Guidelines need to be enumerated, like product releases.

So much angst would be avoided. When there's a disagreement, the parties (operating in good faith) could go meta and compare guideline versions. Which would help resolve differences.

"Oh, you're following guidelines USA-1.4. I see. FYI, last week our governor issued USA-NY-1.5, clarifying protocols for open air retail. All these revisions! Such a bother, I know. I'm so glad you and me are back on the same page. Be safe! We'll get thru this."

Re: Delta Variant

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Post by throw_nbvc1234 »

tigershark wrote: post #161
_user112 wrote: post #150

UK gov's statistics shows "delta" variant results in next to no deaths. Meditation is great for Anxiety.

With more than 87% of the adult population with 1 dose and more than 66% fully vaccinated.

Sure and there are people in this thread implying that that's not a relevant factor and places like the UK and US are going to be seeing massive deaths soon.

And nobody talks about the natural immunity aspect either. Even if it just blunts the severity of the symptoms, places like florida probably have had ~30% of their population infected. I'm going to guess the "bad" people who didn't wear masks, got infected, are mostly part of the non-vaccinated percentage of the population. They could be added to any vaccine percentages from a pandemic response perspective (with downsides of being less accurate count, presumably less consistent immune response ect...).

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