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Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by ComputerGuru » Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 2:35 PM UTC

pc86 wrote: post #60

ComputerGuru wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if surveillance doesn’t last 72 hours (one and done), does this verbiage leave any wiggle room for not needing a FISA warrant?

"72 hours after the beginning of surveillance" is pretty clear cut, isn't it? You need a warrant even if you surveille someone for 30 seconds. You just have the ability to get it after the fact.

There is never supposed to be a guarantee that you can get the warrant. So you can show up in court and not bother to make a case and then you’ll not get the warrant but have your data.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by kube-system » Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 2:51 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #58

kube-system wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From GDPR article 2: > This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data: > (d) by competent authorities for the purposes of the prevention, investigation, detection or prosecution of criminal offences or the execution of criminal penalties, including the safeguarding against and the prevention of threats to public security.

How is that relevant to the US’s mass (warrantless) collection of surveillance data?

My reply was in response to a comment about the DHS.

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by blooalien » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 2:22 AM UTC

giantg2 wrote: post #45

deregulateMed wrote: post #10

Is there a way to see what information Apple and Google has given to the US government through PRISM? I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious what boring topics they had to listen to over the years to ensure I'm not a threat.

"I'm not radical anymore, I'm just curious" That's what the all say... now you're really screwed lol

That very statement just confirms their suspicions. ;)

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by mnowicki » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 6:03 PM UTC

atoav wrote: post #35

jaywalk wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You may or may not believe the NSA actually complies with the law If you believe that they do, I've got a bridge to sell you. Congress is entirely derelict in their duties of holding them accountable, and has been for a very long time.

It is also the wrong question. In practise (as shown by the snowden revalations) the actual question is not if the secret services comply with the law — it is whether the law complies with the secret services. In most nations where illegal practises came to light these illegal practises have been legalized after the fact. The breaches of fundamental laws that happened before have gone unpunished. So to say secret ser…

I recall hearing that the NSA was able to get permission to collect/access certain data by having private 'hearings', and in one of these private hearings they ruled that these hearings don't need to be disclosed to the public.

I'm very fuzzy on the details, but basically the idea is that they can get permission to do things that we think are illegal, and make these things legal. The law is basically just a formality they have to go through to do what they wanted to do in the first place

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by mnowicki » Wed, Jul 14, 2021, 6:13 PM UTC

dylan604 wrote: post #17

xwdv wrote: post #2

You might not want to do this without good reason, it can get you put on some kind of list.

If they have data on you, then you are already on a list. Circular logic. It just so happens everybody is on the list. There's no special treatment.

it'll just increase your "Potential Threat Level" on the one list that does exist. And they might SELECT * from homies_in_the_USA where threat_level > 5 or something, and you'd be on that list

Re: I requested my photographs from the Department of Homeland Security (2015)

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Post by _rmrf » Sat, Jul 17, 2021, 7:45 AM UTC

mataug wrote: post #23

_rmrf wrote: post #20

What do you think would happen if an european citizen were to request a GDPR data deletion of the US Department of Homeland Security? Is there any chance that they would comply?

I doubt GDPR enforceable in the US

Of course it is