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Xi wasn't even in power in 2008. Shows how politically illiterate you google employees are. > China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the p…

Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics.

Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults.

As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailers to fight FBI carnivore and NIST Clipper/Skipjack. I spoke out against the Patriot Act in 2001 when the US government used the 9/11 attacks to impose it. I spoke out against the Communications Decent Act when it was proposed and released software to combat it.

And that’s the difference. When my government uses “national security” as an excuse to crack down on freedoms or minorities, I speak out against it.

When you government uses terrorist attacks or crime to shutdown newspapers or jail Uighurs, you support it.

And that’s why it’s fascism because if you buy into the fear over some insignificant terrorist attacks which are not an existential threat to China in order to justify a total surveillance state and an authoritarian President for life who won’t even take turns and relinquish power to other Standing Committee members, then you’re defending an authoritarian dictatorship and fascist.

The governments of the world love using either terrorism, external threats, crime, or protection of children from sex as blanket justification for every encroachment of freedom.

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loon was neither high risk or high reward. it was just an internet balloon.

A lot of Loon's early engineers were drawn from a team I was on, because Loon's founder (Mike Cassidy) was our PM's boss. When our PM left to work with him, he said "It's a crazy idea. Less than 5% chance of success." He joined it anyway. The team certainly felt it was both high risk and high reward.

But... why? It's just a balloon with internet. All the failures would be a lack of business model, not the technology.

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Xi wasn't even in power in 2008. Shows how politically illiterate you google employees are. > China under Xi is fascist. Mass rallies under a glorified leader for life. Calls to return to a mythic past of nationhood under national rejuvenation. What's the difference between Nuremberg rallies, and the mass rallies the CCP runs? The near constant glorification of the CCP and Xi, the huge number of young people in the p…

Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailer…

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Wayne Dyer used to sometimes take diametrically opposed criticism of his books, photocopy it and send it to the other party — together with the four simple words: "You may be right." Here's the other envelope: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27697973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27528350 The modern day equivalent to the old internet isn't YouTube or Facebook. That's the equivalent to Cable TV. It's rathe…

How does one find such places?

Same way you did in the 90s. You bump around until you find something you like. Or get referred to it by a friend.

The vast majority of it is crap. Always was. There's also a ton of things you'll like, but finding the things that you like but not popular with everybody else is a matter of sifting through (a) the things that everybody likes and (b) the things some people like but not you. Those two things make up 99.999% of the world.

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I’ve never met a person inspired by what we thought the Internet would be in the 90s who isn’t sad that it went the way it did. I suspect the more idealistic of the cryptocurrency people will also feel nostalgic when Goldman and JP Morgan run blockchain in a few years. It’s extremely tempting, especially to technical people, to believe that some piece of technology will create net freedom and equality. The reality is…

> I’ve never met a person inspired by what we thought the Internet would be in the 90s who isn’t sad that it went the way it did.

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I got online in 1991. Spent faaarrrrr time much time on Usenet. Almost got in trouble at my university for figuring out how to post to alt.hackers. I ran a computer lab, cannibalized some old IIcis, installed FreeBSD, got httpd running to spin up one of the first servers on campus. I debated with friends if WWW was that different from gopher. (I wrongly maintained it wasn't.)

I'm absolutely blown away by what the Internet has become today. It's far more amazing than I think anything any of us imagined. Yes, it's far from perfect, but to me the pros far, far, far outweigh the cons.

To wit, a NYT reporter wrote an article about how it was "impossible" to live without the Internet. The tone was clearly to condemn the Internet, but I found it applauded it. She essentially lamented how difficult life was without it. One example was the challenges of finding a place without Google Maps. It wasn't impossible -- it was basically what all of us had to do in the 90s -- but her standard had risen so much, what we considered "normal" she now considered impossible.

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A lot of Loon's early engineers were drawn from a team I was on, because Loon's founder (Mike Cassidy) was our PM's boss. When our PM left to work with him, he said "It's a crazy idea. Less than 5% chance of success." He joined it anyway. The team certainly felt it was both high risk and high reward.

But... why? It's just a balloon with internet. All the failures would be a lack of business model, not the technology.

A quick list of issues that early engineers had to solve with Loon:

1. Can you get wi-fi reception on the ground from a balloon? How big a transmitter, how big a power source, how long can you keep it going for, and how much weight do you need to spend on batteries for this?

2. Will your wi-fi reception cut out if a tall building happens to pass between you and the balloon? How do you mitigate this? Do you need duplicate coverage from multiple balloons? (Starlink is dealing with this now.)

3. How do you keep the balloons in one place, or at least control where they go? If one goes out of range, how do you make sure there's another covering all its receivers?

4. How much propellant/battery can you carry on the balloon for course adjustments? How long can it stay aloft before this is exhausted?

5. Where do the winds go in the stratosphere? If the balloons are not propelled, where will they end up? Can you use altitude changes to get into different jet-streams and reduce propellant use?

6. How do you respect country's airspace? How do you avoid causing international incidents? If a balloon does come down, how do you ensure it doesn't harm anyone and can be retrieved? Early in the project, Loon had an ops team of former navy SEALs whose job was to retrieve any crashed balloons without starting any wars.

And I wasn't even on the team - this is just what I got from a few lunchtime conversations. They had to invent new algorithms, first to model the wind systems in the stratosphere and then to optimize balloon placement given that wind. I know their CTO - he's got a Ph.D in stochastic optimal control (pretty appropriate for this problem). The math behind control theory, once you get past simple PID controllers, is hard.

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Xi was a member of the Standing Committee in 2008 and he was given the political responsibility for the 2008 Olympics. Maybe before your 玻璃心 breaks you should learn a little bit about your own country’s history before you go around tossing insults. As for use of national security as an excuse, I’ve been protesting the NSA for 3 decades. I released one of the first anonymizing web proxies and designed anonymous mailer…

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Let me guess.. you're a huge fan of Tim Pool and the likes who constantly talked about how they are oppressed WHILE still on YouTube.

Tim Pool literally has to self-censor in real-time to avoid the robot bans. It's creepy as hell and has no place in a free society (regardless if you agree with him or not).

it's a private platform, he's free to go to any other platform, are you dense?

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Let me guess.. you're a huge fan of Tim Pool and the likes who constantly talked about how they are oppressed WHILE still on YouTube.

Let me guess... You're not a huge fan of free speech because your college professor told you it was an outdated concept WHILE still using it as a shield to spew his moronic views.

private platforms dont have 'free speech' you moron
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