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Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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Searching for that phrase mainly brings up this thread, so, uh, what are you talking about?

Google Translate says: 'no respect for your machine'. Still not quite sure what the poster meant.

A possibly more accurate translation, depending on how "Erfurcht" is read, might be "don't deify the machine", as in "don't hesitate because you fear you can not understand it" (I'm German myself). This interpretation would somewhat make sense in the context.

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The right move is to route the coolant lines away from harmful road debris or add a shield or deflector. If the coolant line is the protection for the case, that sounds like a big mistake. The owner is indeed lucky that the bunge snapped off rather than crack the case, spilling gallons of toxic coolant all over the place and resting his un-burnt flesh in the failsafes of this battery monitoring system. It really smac…

its tucked pretty far from the road, to get further away would make it harder to service, then might call tesla engineers foolish for thst.

The damage was caused by debris yanking the cooling lines attached to the port, the cooling lines run out toward the wheel well.

It does look pretty concealed, I'm gonna have a look at one the next chance that I get.

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The point is not to call them incompetent - there absolutely are rigorous and good third party repair shops out there. Unfortunately, there are just as much of them just trying to get your money and then fixing it the simplest and cheapest way possible, without the consideration for long term safety and secondary effects that Tesla has probably put in. As an outsider, it's hard to tell the difference, but I agree wit…

> without the consideration for long term safety and secondary effects that Tesla has probably put in. This seems like an incredibly wild assumption. The German concept of 'keine ehrfurcht fur deine maschine' will keep you from seeing every problem as a chance for your box to shine.

Well, it depends a bit on the possible failure scenarios. If we would be talking about a 10$ toy, hacking something together would totally be fine with me.

But we're talking about a 40k$ car and a system which is critical for cooling a part that is very eager to start a fire. I can easily imagine that the higher pressure or temperature tolerance would be needed if you're using the car in extremely hot weather (which can be a bit unexpected [0]) or when the battery experiences a critical failure. When working with systems that can have very bad failures, a bit of Ehrfurcht might be appropriate.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/weather/2021/jul/08/weatherwatch...

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These engineers are actual ex-Tesla technicians, so it's a bit more than half-assing it.

Until it isn't. The attitude about this seems reminiscent of that cable snap in Italy recently. https://youtu.be/uCB1xbkn1Ps And I'm one that is for right to repair, I just don't think it holds up for the lease scenario, I expect my repairs to be done to manufacturers spec and would be concerned about any mechanic for any make making "half arsed" repairs.

Ever seen how they repair aircraft?

To fix panel damage on jet airliners, instead of replacing half the skin, they usually just rivet a patch over the hole. Or in the case of the composite-skinned Boeing 787, they basically glue a patch over it [1].

Sometimes they don't even bother with that, and just tape it up instead [2].

[1] https://www.aviationpros.com/aircraft/commercial-airline/new...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_tape

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The Web browser is built-in. I personally don't install almost any apps on my smartphones, because I don't need much beyond that. It is extremely useful without any additional apps. Not as much without a battery.

There's a difference between "almost any" and no apps at all.

Sure, but the apps I install are a better browser and a blocker for sites I don't want to accidentally open.

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My mistake, I meant the opposite: electrolytic corrosion. There are potential (non-electrical) chemical variables too. The chemistry involved is complicated and I can’t claim to fully understand it. Even big automakers sometimes get it wrong from the factory.

It's more likely they used plastic simply because they could mould the whole thing.

I am sure that is the case. I was never suggesting that this part was intentionally chosen to be plastic because nothing else could work. There’s hundreds of materials you can make a fitting out of, and likely dozens of materials would work, with varying pros and cons. I’m saying this is typically a problem that would have a carefully engineered solution.

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>that they won’t accept a hack fix (however safe it may be) - that car is going to be sold to someone once the lease expires, they just can’t take the risk But why are you calling it a hack fix? Also, why would a competent third-party repair shop be "risky"? A customer should be free to pick out an experienced and competent repair-shop just the way they currently do for their cars. And if they don't want to, they can…

its not like a brake light or a suspension part this was a inlet port for cooling fluid to the battery . If not done correctly it will spring a leak in a onroad driving situation , Tesla probably does have safety systems to stop the car to prevent the battery from overheating and exploding. besides they charged 700$ for 5$ worth of parts and 1~2 hours of labour :) that isnt the best advocacy for RTR IMO.

Suspension failure (especially at highway speeds) is far more dangerous than a bit of a coolant leak. It's probably more likely too [1]

[1] https://twitter.com/Beastlyorion/status/1288242333864079360

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This is a design flaw. I wonder what other shameful design decisions were put in place to cut corners. Kind of glad I canceled a Tesla pre-order. I really hope other EV companies are learning from Tesla’s mistakes. From the lack of customer service from a maintenance aspect to poor repairability, that sort of reputation will stick with a company for a very long time. Going to run my current ICE to the ground until th…

> This is a design flaw. How do you know? I mean, maybe they very intentionally designed that part out of plastic so that it would break away from the battery in a case like this (instead of not breaking away and creating a higher risk of damaging the battery).

If it's intentionally designed to break away to protect something else they would/should have the ability to replace it instead of wanting 16k to replace the whole battery. If they did design it to break away AND don't make it reasonably replaceable it starts to look positively sinister....

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I heartily agree with the premise, and there's this compounding problem: "To make matters worse, the owner's insurance policy didn't cover comprehensive claims from road debris..." So when you combine these two issues, you end up with an unwritten, mob-boss-esque command of something like "Buy the most expensive insurance for all of your expensive widgets so that you can (maybe) be covered in the event that something…

Aaah Insurance strikes again. Insurance is a scam that somehow as a society we have allowed to normalize in our society. The Insurance system just doesn't make sense, that's why we see so many problems with car, health, death and other types of insurance. The problem lies in that both parties have misaligned and often oposite objectives: The Insurer's main goal is to maximize their profit , and the levers it has is t…

You are confusing health "insurance" (which is not insurance as such) versus things like life insurance and property insurance. The US health economy is flawed in many ways that have been discussed endlessly.

On the other hand, more usual insurances are actuarial and work on the basis that an insurer shares the risk across the people/property that is insured and charges appropriately.

Most insurance of that nature make their profits from investing the income, relying on their actuaries to calculate the expected losses due to claims.

Re: Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters

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I had this type of issue with a Macbook Pro. The rubber/plastic foot came off the bottom. Asked at the Genius Bar how much to replace it. It looks like a part that should cost $0.02 and expected an "Apple" markup of say $5. They wanted $350. Said they had to replace the entire bottom of the computer to put on a new rubber foot.

$4 on ebay https://www.ebay.com/itm/192313754025?epid=2260447290&hash=i...

Hopefully they have yet to incorporate security chips so the thing won't start with unofficial feet.

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