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Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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How did Aaron get access to the for-pay articles (page 9)? Also: nice going, Aaron! Drag research access into the 21st century, kicking and screaming! Does anyone think it's odd that an Acer laptop could write these files to disk faster than JSTOR could serve them?

Anyone on MITNet has access to JSTOR articles free of charge to the user. Similarly the ACM, IEEE, etc. all have agreements like this with major universities.

Oh, so some articles are available to buy, and the subscription includes those and more? I thought the subscription was the subset.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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The title is inaccurate. It is alleged that he signed up for guest accounts on their network with different laptops, changed his MAC address and re-registered if the IP he was using was blocked (by JSTOR) or cut off of the network (by MIT), and finally connected a laptop in a basement networking closet. I guess you could say that is 'hacking' in the unauthorized access sense, but not in any meaningful sense. It isn't…

IANAL, but legally speaking unauthorized access is a crime regardless of how easy it was to gain access.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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post #5

How did Aaron get access to the for-pay articles (page 9)? Also: nice going, Aaron! Drag research access into the 21st century, kicking and screaming! Does anyone think it's odd that an Acer laptop could write these files to disk faster than JSTOR could serve them?

> Does anyone think it's odd that an Acer laptop could write these files to disk faster than JSTOR could serve them?

Why would that be odd? SATA = 3 Gbps throughput with minimal overhead, Ethernet = 1 Gbps with lots of overhead (IP headers, Ethernet headers, HTTP headers)

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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I wonder what they'll push for. He sounds pretty screwed if this evidence pans out. Looks like he could even end up with a few years' time if the prosecutors want.

1. Wire fraud maxes out at 20 years outside of a presidentially-declared emergency. No fine cap, it seems. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C63.txt

2. Computer fraud under 1030(a)(4) caps out at 5 years with no prior offense, no fine cap. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C47.txt

3. 1030(a)(2), (c)(2)(B)(iii) looks to be another cap of 5 years. Ibid.

4. 1030(a)(5)(B), (c)(4)(A)(i)(I),(VI) looks like another cap of 5 years. Ibid.

IANAL, just trying my best to read the code itself.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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The repeated use of "stole" in the indictment is interesting, even beyond the usual metaphorical usage to discuss copyright infringement.

In this case, the indictment alleges that the documents were stolen from JSTOR, which does not even own them! In the vast majority of cases JSTOR scanned documents whose copyright is owned by someone else, and acquired or was donated a non-exclusive license to distribute copies via its service. In many cases the documents are even public domain. The indictment continues the theft metaphor by discussing the effort and expense JSTOR incurred in scanning the documents, and the alleged attempt to render this less valuable by redistributing "its" documents, analogizing this to the loss someone suffers in a theft.

But effort expended to build a private repository consisting of copies of things you don't own doesn't give you ownership of the result, any more than Google Books doing the same has given them ownership of the documents that they've scanned. If you scraped Google and "stole" their scans, you would be violating Google's Terms of Service, and Google might indeed feel subjectively like you've taken something of value (their exclusive access to this repository of scans), but I think it would be a stretch to say that you've "stolen" "their" documents.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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The man is a heroic martyr, who risked everything to set knowledge free. (Knowledge most of which was produced at the public's expense!) He may very well die in prison. Or perhaps he will be forced to publicly recant and merely be forbidden from using computers. I hope that in the latter case he will have the good sense to emigrate. One day, his tormentors will be harshly punished. Unless, of course, "the future is a…

HE MAY VERY WELL DIE IN PRISON.

Can we be done with this thread? I know for a fact that I am not the only one who has flagged it. No good can come of this. In a likely worst case given who we're talking about, Aaron will be prodded into commenting publicly on a criminal case.

FLAGGED.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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post #17

Why would he do this? What is the purpose of having all those documents?

33. Swartz intended to distribute a significant portion of JSTOR’s archive of digitized journal articles through one or more file-sharing sites.

Interestingly, while the Grand Jury Indictment does discuss evidence for many of the other accusations, they do not discuss any evidence for this intent-to-distribute claim.

Re: Aaronsw indicted for hacking MIT network to download millions of JSTOR docs

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post #12

"Aaron Swartz ... was a fellow at Harvard University’s Center for Ethics"

It is not impossible to imagine a code of morality which views his alleged actions as ethical.

Definitely true -- I thought it was a relevant bit of information so I quoted it.
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