There needs to be a path for 3rd party repair, even if it is not amateurish ( requiring expertise and/or advanced machinery )
Tesla’s $16k Quote for a $700 Fix Is Why Right to Repair Matters
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#12I'm very curious about the insurance rejecting the repair. My understanding (I've never leased a car) is that if you lease a car you must have comprehensive (full coverage) insurance. Either the person failed to do what their lease contract (presumably) mandated, or shockingly you can lease a car without full coverage. Obviously it depends on what the insurance policy states, but usually comprehensive insurance cover…
They are now redefining the meaning of the word “comprehensive”…
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#13Along with the struggle for the Right to Repair, we should also organize to boycott products from companies which prevent us from repairing (or modifying!) them.
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#14Oof, that's not even a $700 repair. What's pictured looks more like a $200 repair. The rest is straight profit for Electrified Garage, for having Tesla knowledge at this point in time. Personally, I would have used a plastic fitting so that if it were to get hit again, the fitting would take the damage instead of the part that has been threaded into. The driving force being this story seems to be that the owner didn'…
Honestly I’m surprised that it would be exposed like that, rather than tucked behind a panel.
The rubber fuel lines on my 1973 240z are behind a removable panel at the rear wheel. 3 screws and it’s off for access.
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#15I heartily agree with the premise, and there's this compounding problem: "To make matters worse, the owner's insurance policy didn't cover comprehensive claims from road debris..." So when you combine these two issues, you end up with an unwritten, mob-boss-esque command of something like "Buy the most expensive insurance for all of your expensive widgets so that you can (maybe) be covered in the event that something…
He didn’t have comprehensive at all. Comprehensive is cheap with a deductible of a few hundred. People don’t forgo it unless they’re driving a junker. Reading the comments on the article, it sounds like the lack of comprehensive might have been a mistake during transferring policies between cars. If so, that’s a brutal consequence of an easy misclick or misstatement without a double check.
if you finance a car, is comprehensive required?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla doesn't let you do your own repairs on cars you "own" either.
This 2017 news from electrek[1] contradicts your claim. [1]: https://electrek.co/2017/01/30/tesla-opening-up-service-repl...
Electrek is a very biased website in favor of electric vehicles so it makes sense they would say positive things about Tesla.
Also, the first sentence of that article is about how this is only a thing in Massachusetts because of right to repair laws.
If Tesla could, they would brick or make certain systems not operational if you don't use first party parts.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
He didn’t have comprehensive at all. Comprehensive is cheap with a deductible of a few hundred. People don’t forgo it unless they’re driving a junker. Reading the comments on the article, it sounds like the lack of comprehensive might have been a mistake during transferring policies between cars. If so, that’s a brutal consequence of an easy misclick or misstatement without a double check.
if you finance a car, is comprehensive required?
usually, yes.
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#18I think there is a general tendency and trend for companies to infantilize users. "This repair is too complex" or "This UI is too complicated". Dumbing down things to its detriment is how we operate these days. We constantly underestimate how everyone to used read Telephone books and Yellow pages - that kind of density and "complexity" would get shot down by designers today. Similar trends are going on in hardware design - design for maintanability is dying or dead. Partly due to aforementioned reasons and partly due to how cheap we've made everything (imported goods from China). When a kitchen mixer costs $1200, you betchya there are going to be shops that can fix it. I've worked in this area and you'd be amazed how engineers and designers choose to use ultrasonic welding to shave off 40 cents worth of fasteners. It's a no brainer and no one bats an eye. Unrepairability is deeply seeded from college education, corporate blue books, professionals, consumers, lawmakers to the supply chain, vendors, contracts, etc. I am glad we're talking about it.
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#19A bit of a stretch to classify this under right to repair.. if you rent a car from tesla, it’s going to be up to tesla to choose how it’s repaired. And it doesn’t seem unreasonable that they won’t accept a hack fix (however safe it may be) - that car is going to be sold to someone once the lease expires, they just can’t take the risk I would read this as a cautionary tale against renting your cars. If you can’t buy i…
Sure, except Tesla has a history of performing just as janky repairs on their cars themselves. Its even stated in the article.[0]
Another question to consider is why the repair is 16k. Does is actually cost Tesla that much or do they just quote that much because they are realistically the only ones who can fix it so they can charge the price?
Driving around with a shoddy fix on a combustion engine can be just as dangerous. Yet, there are plenty independent mechanics that do a great job because they have access to OEM parts and manuals.
[0] https://www.thedrive.com/tech/36274/tesla-model-y-owners-fin...
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#20When a company like Apple says that only their app store can run on iPhones, HN crowd usually sides with Apple, with the justification that "It is a free market. People can buy another phone if they don't like it." Why doesn't the same principle apply here? If your car company does not offer the right to repair, then buy another car. What is the difference? Both are instances of big companies gating access to their devices.