posted in various forms a lot over past week, including a more correct youtube link prior to this
Bunch of other discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27779907
Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]
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Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]
#172Earlier quoted context omitted.
in other words, the Right to Repair movement is doing for hardware what the Free Software and Open Source movement is doing for software.
It's partly this. It's also partly about restoring the kind of rights one is supposed to get under the first-sale doctrine: ownership over the thing that you have bought.
So why is it partly? Are you saying that Free Software Movement isn't also about having ownership over your own devices?
Because it absolutely is about that - no manufacturer should be able to tell what you can and cannot do with your own device. That includes what kind of OS you're able to run, what kind of programs, how much data you're sending to them, etc. Controlling your software is still stealing ownership from you because when you can't control what software are you running, you can't control what your device is doing.
Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]
#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's partly this. It's also partly about restoring the kind of rights one is supposed to get under the first-sale doctrine: ownership over the thing that you have bought.
The right to repair has nothing to do with open source and it is probably best to avoid conflating it with open source. It is going to be difficult enough to pass legislation to enable the access to components and schematics, as well as to prevent the implementation of technical barriers intended to make independent repair (and modifications) illegal. The reason why we reached this abysmal state of affairs has more t…
I will assume that you meant Free Software Movement instead of the Open Source one, as people easily confuse these two.
I agree how conflicting FSM with RTR would be detrimental to the actual possibility of implementation. However, Free Software Movement actually goes hand in hand with Right to Repair - both are about the basic right to own and control your own device.
Luis Rossmann even (maybe non-intentionally) touched on it in a recent video and said that's it's unacceptable for manufacturers to block bootloaders on their devices, restricting you from the type of OS you can run. That's strictly a Free Software Movement issue and not necessarily a Right to Repair issue.
Right to Repair is basically hardware equivalent to FSM. You can even think about it as such - one is fighting for your right to repair your own device and the other for your right to repair software on that device. Obviously, that's a major simplification and there are many other implications in both movements, but they're both set on the same set of principles.
That's why a big part of the Free Software community is using old thinkpads - they have the freedom to run whatever software they want (as they don't have Intel Management Engine) AND the right to repair and modify the actual hardware (those devices are a joy to open and repair).
I also believe that companies should provide hardware schematics with their devices and customers should be able to repair them and modify them using these. As for the "copy" part, I don't quite get what you mean. What exactly did you mean by copy?
Is a device with one part changed/repaired is a copy? Is a device build completely out of parts got from other, damaged devices is a copy?
Because if you meant that you can't just use the schematics to build and sell a device based on them as your own, original device then that's obvious. Copying a device and selling it as your own creation is just fraud and absolutely not the kind of thing that FSM is fighting for. It's a common strawman argument used by the FSM opposers though.
Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]
#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's partly this. It's also partly about restoring the kind of rights one is supposed to get under the first-sale doctrine: ownership over the thing that you have bought.
So why is it partly? Are you saying that Free Software Movement isn't also about having ownership over your own devices? Because it absolutely is about that - no manufacturer should be able to tell what you can and cannot do with your own device. That includes what kind of OS you're able to run, what kind of programs, how much data you're sending to them, etc. Controlling your software is still stealing ownership fro…
what he means with partly is that a part of the right to repair movement is about restoring a right that was already define in law, namely that when you buy something, you own it, and you can do whatever you want with it (including repairing or modifying it)
the Free Software movement is about the same, but a right to repair and modify software was never defined as a law.
so the difference is that the Free Software movement is about gaining new rights, that we didn't have, while right to repair is about restoring rights that we already had, and that have been taken away.
Re: Steve Wozniak speaks on Right to Repair [video]
#175Earlier quoted context omitted.
So why is it partly? Are you saying that Free Software Movement isn't also about having ownership over your own devices? Because it absolutely is about that - no manufacturer should be able to tell what you can and cannot do with your own device. That includes what kind of OS you're able to run, what kind of programs, how much data you're sending to them, etc. Controlling your software is still stealing ownership fro…
what he means with partly is that a part of the right to repair movement is about restoring a right that was already define in law, namely that when you buy something, you own it, and you can do whatever you want with it (including repairing or modifying it) the Free Software movement is about the same, but a right to repair and modify software was never defined as a law. so the difference is that the Free Software m…
Ok - I get it now, fair point.