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Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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After years of putting off handwriting Japanese since almost all of my communication was verbal or over the internet where I had to type it - my experience was that writing is vastly more important than people make it out to be. Especially the kind of people who are only interested in verbal communication (of which I was one).

My experience mirrors this study for Japanese at least. Instead of typing sentences for vocabulary learning I have a journal where I write them instead. I'd say I learn words and kanji more quickly ever since I made that change.

So while the study was for Arabic, and from scratch, my experience is from Japanese and roughly 1 - 1.5 years into learning (so wasn't a novice/from scratch at that point).

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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I totally get this. If I need to focus and truly understand something, there is no replacement for writing. Keyboards are fast, but the interaction patterns frequently devolve to almost squirrely behaviour. rapid movements, editing, and fleeting thoughts. It encourages you to move from one thought to the next as quickly as possible. Our MODE of measurement when typing is measured in WPM--how quickly you can output te…

OTOH, of you do need to keep up (with a lecture, for example), handwriting hurts because you don't have time to finish.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

#14
On a side note, I find writing and drawing very useful when I tried to get through some algorithm questions or similar things that need a bit of thought. Writing and drawing weed out the edge cases pretty effectively and I can better cut the question into pieces in that way. I also found that if I can't sort out my thoughts in written forms, there is no way for the code to work.

Somehow it's a lot easier to setup mental barriers (to focus or to reduce problems into pieces) when I'm writing.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

#15
I wish they would do studies like this with children / teenagers.

In an adult, handwriting is going to be ingrained in their brain because they have been doing it their whole life. It is a part of the language processing their brain does, and it makes sense that tapping in to that helps their brain learn faster.

I want to see if the same is true for children who type way more than they handwrite. Is there something innately better about handwriting, or is it just that the brain learns better using ingrained methods?

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

#16
post #3

I totally get this. If I need to focus and truly understand something, there is no replacement for writing. Keyboards are fast, but the interaction patterns frequently devolve to almost squirrely behaviour. rapid movements, editing, and fleeting thoughts. It encourages you to move from one thought to the next as quickly as possible. Our MODE of measurement when typing is measured in WPM--how quickly you can output te…

I don't think the speed matters as much as that drawing words cements them more solidly in the mind than touching them. So more an imbalance in process difficulty than speed.

The same effect happens in note-taking. I almost never review my handwritten notes, but the act of writing them is probably why I don't have to review them. When I'm recalling information, I frequently remember where and how on the piece of paper I wrote it.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

#17
This article, my personal experience, what I've heard from my friends, and the other evidence I've heard of all seem to support the same thing: that writing things by hand leads to better retention than typing.

This seems to be the input-level dual of the meme that reading from physical paper leads to greater retention than from a computer screen. I'm curious as to what the cause could be for this one, as it seems less intuitive than the writing case.

Back to writing: I've found that while writing things down, I'm often "bandwidth-limited" - not only can I not write nearly as fast as I can think, but I often run into this limit on a practical level, where I continually have a "buffer" of sentences that I want to write and I'm just waiting for my fingers to put them down on paper. Perhaps learning shorthand would allow me both bandwidth and retention?

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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post #13
post #3

I totally get this. If I need to focus and truly understand something, there is no replacement for writing. Keyboards are fast, but the interaction patterns frequently devolve to almost squirrely behaviour. rapid movements, editing, and fleeting thoughts. It encourages you to move from one thought to the next as quickly as possible. Our MODE of measurement when typing is measured in WPM--how quickly you can output te…

OTOH, of you do need to keep up (with a lecture, for example), handwriting hurts because you don't have time to finish.

Learn some form of shorthand, and learn how to summarize on the go. Writing down word-for-word what a professor is saying is not going to work well. For that, bring a tape recorder (or an iPhone if you want to kill your battery) and retake your notes later when you can pause, rewind, etc.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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post #17

This article, my personal experience, what I've heard from my friends, and the other evidence I've heard of all seem to support the same thing: that writing things by hand leads to better retention than typing. This seems to be the input-level dual of the meme that reading from physical paper leads to greater retention than from a computer screen. I'm curious as to what the cause could be for this one, as it seems le…

>This seems to be the input-level dual of the meme that reading from physical paper leads to greater retention than from a computer screen. I'm curious as to what the cause could be for this one, as it seems less intuitive than the writing case.

One of the possible reasons would be that we consume text content on paper differently than on the screen.

Another reason would be that when you read text on paper you engage with a unique physical object. Engaging multiple senses and adding more cues/anchors helps with creating stronger connections in your brain and improves memory retention.

That's also probably why writing things down with a pen helps you remember more and for longer--more parts of your brain are involved in the process of note taking.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

#20
> "The question out there for parents and educators is why should our kids spend any time doing handwriting," says cognitive scientist Brenda Rapp from Johns Hopkins University.

On one side, more data is better, whatever the subject is (42 volunteer subjects though, and at no point in the abstract it’s explained how they sampled them).

One the other hand, it looks like yet another of these studies, that has a very clear agenda, with a very small sample, completely focused on a single issue.

If at least it was adressing it directly and focused on kids at school, but here it’s still a small proxy supposed to represent a bigger trend.

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