People Staring at Computers • Hacker News Board

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by agloeregrets » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:27 AM UTC

ryandrake wrote: post #8

> "I'm not really a computer security person, so I don't understand how that law applies here. Did Apple just call you up and say 'we want you to check this guy out'?" > "Something like that." > "Can anyone do that? Can I call you up?" > The agent who had been taking notes chimed in: "I suppose so, if you just open up the Yellow Pages we're right there, on the inside cover." Raise your hand if you've had trouble gett…

For what it is worth, the incredibly irresponsible and unethical Artist's actions seemed a lot closer to high class cybercrime..which the secret service actually handled at the time. The only reason he wasn't charged is because the secret service didn't see him as a national threat. If the FBI had been the one running the operation he would have been Aaron Swartzed.

Re: People Staring at Computers

#192

Post by agloeregrets » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:29 AM UTC

sellyme wrote: post #20

rantwasp wrote: post #14

yeah no. installing spyware and taking pictures of people without their consent is shady af. also the logic of “oh the apple store has glass windows” therefore i can do this illegal shit is mind boggling

It wasn't illegal, hence why no charges were ever filed.

No. It wasn't the Secret Service's business. That's why he wasn't charged. If it were the FBI he could have been charged for unlawful use and a litany of other things.

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by developer2 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:41 AM UTC

easton wrote: post #188

developer2 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The encryption/decryption keys for your iMessages are stored with Apple, and are accessible to them. If you have iCloud Backup enabled, Apple–and thus law enforcement–can in fact decrypt them. A while back, Apple was aiming to transition to store iMessage backups using a more secure method; ie. the same method that some other content such as Health data is stored, which uses encryption keys derived using local info s…

Note that (based on that article), you can disable iCloud Backup and leave Messages in the Cloud enabled, which results in your messages being backed up but the key to decrypting them not being backed up. IIRC, this also results in the key your device uses to decrypt your messages being regenerated so Apple can't go into your backups and pull it out. I disable iCloud Backup because there isn't much that is useful in…

Yes, you've got it right.

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by enimodas » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:42 AM UTC

Reminds me of one of my favorite pieces of art of the 21th century: surveillance camera man: https://www.bitchute.com/video/OkQQggPH6a9B/

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:44 AM UTC

gizmo wrote: post #181

NotEvil wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is, he never asks people for there consent. Even apple does that (although in a never read privacy policy) but they do

There are cameras on every street corner. At ATMs. In every store. On public transportation. I never consented to any of this. Art projects that confront people with the reality that they're being recorded and watched are vital to remind people that privacy still matters, and that we should struggle to regain some of the privacy expectations we've lost.

Art projects still have ethics to them. He could’ve put a singular art installation somewhere for people to use and have their photo taken while they browse a specific art installation.

Violating people’s privacy in order to remind them their privacy is important sounds like the sort of “I’m harming you for your own good” that abusers use.

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by SamoyedFurFluff » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:47 AM UTC

NotEvil wrote: post #173

b112 wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think, as soon as he became the actor as well, he ceased being "the messager" in the terms of solely passing on a message. Put another way, "shoot the messenger" is a phrase used when an unbiased person, merely delivering a message of bias/harm from another, is attacked for the message. You are not a messenger, when you perform the act/deed/thing yourself.

That is what I don't understand why he can't be a messenger and an actor at the same time. Everything doesn't have to be black and white you know

Then it isn’t shooting the messenger because they’re also an actor? Being a messenger doesn’t grant someone immunity from being critiqued for doing unethical things.

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by jl2718 » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:49 AM UTC

>>> "What is your day job, Kyle?"

"This is my day job. I'm a media artist, I just write a lot of code. I spend most of my time making open source tools with other people."

"But how do you make money?"

"I get commissions, grants, and live off artist fees from exhibiting work. I fly to conferences and festivals and do workshops and presentations. Sometimes I'll do residencies." This agent and I are both having a ‘Deuce Bigalow’ moment over this. But seriously, is this just bohemian speak for some other source of financial support, or is it actually realistic to make a big city living this way?

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by brutusborn » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:53 AM UTC

enimodas wrote: post #194

Reminds me of one of my favorite pieces of art of the 21th century: surveillance camera man: https://www.bitchute.com/video/OkQQggPH6a9B/

I found myself laughing at this but also feeling uncomfortable. The way he calmly evades people's questions and just continues on is impressive.

Re: People Staring at Computers

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Post by Nextgrid » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:58 AM UTC

MaanuAir wrote: post #107

Any tools suggestion, to timelapse me as author did, including video conferencing sessions?

I'm sure there are command-line tools that would take a picture and save it as a file. Put that in a loop with a "sleep 60" in between (or whatever delay you want) and you're done.

Re: People Staring at Computers

#200

Post by SamoyedFurFluff » Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 12:00 PM UTC

loosescrews wrote: post #74

angry_octet wrote: post #21

The fact that a number of posters feel offended that he would 'install software that takes their picture without consent' simply highlights how necessary such art is -- most people have simply no idea how many times they are photographed each day without their consent. An artist taking a few pictures, in an incredibly public place, should barely stir a ripple in comparison. Consider if software had not been 'installe…

> At least now we can wear masks. I sure hope this remains socially acceptable, but the way things are going, I don't think this will last in the US. I am aware that the first SARS outbreak left a mask wearing culture in parts of Asia, but American culture is pretty different. I was optimistic mask wearing would remain in American culture, but the last month or so has changed my mind. Mask usage in my area has been r…

Mask wearing culture is usually limited to only wearing masks when you’re sick or unwell, not wearing them constantly. It makes sense that people aren’t wearing masks if they’re not sick. The majority of people wouldn’t be wearing masks 24/7. Mask culture only refers to the fact that seeing someone in a mask isn’t unusual.