Most engineering projects have standards. Not the cutting edge stuff, but most of it does. Many are from regulations and safety laws setting specifications for this and that, but some are simply there because they won by being the most popular. Software Development by contrast has no standards. You can hire two different enterprise sized companies with this and that certification in the exact same technologies, who c…
Why writing software is not like engineering (2008)
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Re: Why writing software is not like engineering (2008)
#22Much of what we do involves not just telling the computer what to do, but communicating with other programmers (through code). This is where elegance and craft can make a significant difference to the success of a project
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#23If a civil engineer designs a bridge, and it crashes and people die due to a design flaw, he or she can be sued, and even put in jail.
On the other hand, software comes with a license that explicitly makes its authors not liable for design flaws.
When was the last time you had to agree to an end user license agreement before crossing a bridge?
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#25This seems to broadly conflate CS and Software Engineering. The differences have been covered elsewhere. Stuff like cognitive vs. physical science, (mostly) thinking about thinking instead of thinking about things, or quotes like "A computer is to computer science as a telescope is too astronomy." To be fair, the fact that a lot of us got CS degrees, but really ended up doing software development probably doesn't hel…
There has always been a dilemma about what to do with bright young people who want to become computer programmers, but who also want to get a college degree.
My mom taught a programming course at a satellite campus of a state university in the 80s. The course was listed in the computer science department, but it was basically Programming 101. Her students were mostly grown-ups. Her students didn't face the dilemma because they already had college degrees, or they didn't. They were getting programming jobs after one year in the course.
My mom's advice to me was that programming was too easy to justify 4 years of college level training, and that I should major in something "real" to use her words. (She has a masters in chemistry). But actually her idea was to use college as a way to build up domain knowledge that could add value on top of programming skill. She thought there would be a need to be able to differentiate myself from the likely flood of people who were taking the 1 year course and getting programming jobs.
This post would come close to trolling if it weren't for the fact that there remain ongoing debates to this day, even in HN threads, about the merit and need for college level training to become a programmer. I'm not the only person wondering about this -- it's a real and hard problem. I actually like the idea of a decent career path for someone who is not interested or cut out to succeed in the college environment, even though I thrived in that environment myself.
Re: Why writing software is not like engineering (2008)
#26Most engineering projects have standards. Not the cutting edge stuff, but most of it does. Many are from regulations and safety laws setting specifications for this and that, but some are simply there because they won by being the most popular. Software Development by contrast has no standards. You can hire two different enterprise sized companies with this and that certification in the exact same technologies, who c…
So engineering before the rise of standards wasn't engineering?
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#28There is a major difference between engineering and software development: liability. If a civil engineer designs a bridge, and it crashes and people die due to a design flaw, he or she can be sued, and even put in jail. On the other hand, software comes with a license that explicitly makes its authors not liable for design flaws. When was the last time you had to agree to an end user license agreement before crossing…
It is a professional title and while it isn't usually validated, thus only those that sign projects with legal liabilities do make the final exam, every single university in the country is only allowed to have certified engineering degrees.
I am aware of similar practices in other countries as well.
Re: Why writing software is not like engineering (2008)
#29There is a major difference between engineering and software development: liability. If a civil engineer designs a bridge, and it crashes and people die due to a design flaw, he or she can be sued, and even put in jail. On the other hand, software comes with a license that explicitly makes its authors not liable for design flaws. When was the last time you had to agree to an end user license agreement before crossing…
Re: Why writing software is not like engineering (2008)
#30Most engineering projects have standards. Not the cutting edge stuff, but most of it does. Many are from regulations and safety laws setting specifications for this and that, but some are simply there because they won by being the most popular. Software Development by contrast has no standards. You can hire two different enterprise sized companies with this and that certification in the exact same technologies, who c…