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Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Sharing IP to allow other countries to manufacture their own doses would be a huge step forward.

Ain’t no country going to make the mRNA vaccines in time unless they already have the technology.

Do the "tech transfer" step too.

Our privatized system of engineering is such garbage.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Ivermectin, HCQ have done wonders in asian countries. The fact that they are not even considered is frightening, and the studies against their use have extremely small and non-general sample sizes.

Can't find any decent sized study for their use or supporting "done wonders". Have any?

I’ve read a few articles (not bookmarked) in Chinese that talks about it. I think if we live in a westernized country we may have limited information available to what’s happening locally at other countries.

This is just one article that talks about it. Even though it cites the Australia study that showed no big difference, it also says it’s a small sample size and due to its safe history and other studies that have shown it has positive effect, we can experiment it. Again I’m not arguing for it to be used for the light symptoms but rather the ones that are already on their deathbeds.

https://finance.sina.com.cn/tech/2021-06-23/doc-ikqciyzk1306...

Also the Indian Bar association has sued WHO Chief Scientist - though I’m not sure the latest on this https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indian-ba... (English)

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Curious to know why alternatives are still being suppressed as a possible treatment. We need to start talking about covid management. We wouldn’t use it for those with lesser symptoms but for those who are hospitalized who may or may not benefit, it’s worth a try. I can’t see a constant booster shot being the only solution to this.

What suppressing? The WHO and national agencies are actively looking for treatment options, and just last week another medication was approved for in-hospital COVID-19 treatment. It's just that nothing that has been tried yet works nearly as well as vaccination.

Also I know a lot of people who have taken 1 or both doses but have said if it becomes a routinely booster shots, they’ve decided their risk profile isn’t worth taking it. So we will see a decline in vaccinations if that happens. I haven’t read the latest medication approved for in-hospital covid treatment so will take a look at that.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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someone’s making bank

Exactly this. I find it interesting that most people seem to forget that we have immune systems that have served us well for our entire evolution and human history, and all of sudden we ignore that same system that was built exactly for this kind of thing.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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someone’s making bank

Exactly this. I find it interesting that most people seem to forget that we have immune systems that have served us well for our entire evolution and human history, and all of sudden we ignore that same system that was built exactly for this kind of thing.

It coincides with a society that's become hyper-focused on historically small risks. Look at anxiety rates in children, etc.

I guess it must have to do with the progress of humanity. Life has become so good that even relatively small dangers are becoming the only ones left. Or kind of like the misery of the wealthy.

Any sense of proportion has gone down the drain.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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What we are seeing is new variants coming from large populations around the globe. Delta is here. Lambda has just arrived. The Vietam variant which is delta+the British no one is talking about.. it will soon have a name. Better to lockdown, vaccinate those populations before giving a third or fourth or weekly dose. Saving Pfizer doses means other brands can go to hotter climates.

It took us 6 months to vaccinate 400-500 mil. people in industrial nations with the best logistics systems on the planet. We won't even be able to vaccinate the rest with basic doses for 7 years at a minimum at this rate. Alternatively, we produce cheap prophylactic drugs in industrial quantities and flood the battlefield.

That was limited by manufacturing not logistics. If we continue scaling up manufacturing (and not diverting it to unnecessary uses like booster doses), the world can get vaccinated in a reasonable time frame.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Ain’t no country going to make the mRNA vaccines in time unless they already have the technology.

Do the "tech transfer" step too. Our privatized system of engineering is such garbage.

Even with tech transfer you’d be looking at years before being able to manufacture. This is a very specialized process. It’s not like following a cookbook.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Do the "tech transfer" step too. Our privatized system of engineering is such garbage.

Even with tech transfer you’d be looking at years before being able to manufacture. This is a very specialized process. It’s not like following a cookbook.

What is the evidence for that? Surely it depends on the degree of tech transfer?

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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Pfizer actually manufactures only half of the third step in the process it acquired when it bought BioNTech. Everything before is actually made by only three subcontractors of BioNTech in 3 factories in Switzerland, Germany and Belgium (which does the other half of the step). They are already working at well over originally planned maximum capacity for these plants. And that's for the original 2 doses only. Pfizer is…

> Pfizer actually manufactures only half of the third step in the process it acquired when it bought BioNTech. BioNTech is partnering with Pfizer (and Fosun) to manufacture and distribute the vaccine, but Pfizer has not bought BioNTech. They're still an independent, publicly-traded company.

Yes, checked it. I was wrong. It's still mostly German owned.

Re: Pfizer to seek U.S. authorization for Covid booster shot

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It took us 6 months to vaccinate 400-500 mil. people in industrial nations with the best logistics systems on the planet. We won't even be able to vaccinate the rest with basic doses for 7 years at a minimum at this rate. Alternatively, we produce cheap prophylactic drugs in industrial quantities and flood the battlefield.

Bloomberg reports 3.35 billion doses administered, 10% in the US alone. We also have unknown tens or hundreds of millions of unused (and expiring) doses we have been unwilling to share with the world (as we continue to manufacture millions more per day). Most of the 6 months has been scaling up (and fixing) production, same reason iPhones are in short supply on release day. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-va…

I was wrong on the numbers. I have gone through the article. Still won't be done by early 2023, even at this rate.

Logistics are hell, outside of urban centers.

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