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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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What the fuck is this dark pattern? You must agree to ads before later revoking consent?

I also don't understand how this can be in legal in the sense of the GDPR, but AFAIK there are multiple German news sites which use this pattern (e.g. Golem, Heise and Spiegel from the top of my head).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #183

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>He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that. He's not, and all those quotes from that reddit thread I know you're thinking of are very careful to dance around the point. He's not an engineer.

Which thread is this? I'm curious.

The same reddit thread that gets trotted out by Musk worshippers every time someone points out he's not an engineer.

It's full of quotes saying stuff like "he understands a lot about spaceflight and aerodynamics" and similar weasel statements.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #157

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> We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs pretending it's one lone genius. We also need to hold him to account when Musk tries to ruin the lives of his employees who speak up about what goes on in his companies. He even tried to frame one of them as a mass shooter to police[1] in an…

Source does not support your claim. It says that an anonymous tip got the employee swatted.

Musk has a history of going after people who critisize him in public. He (and his staff) have again and again attacked journalists, former employees, and anyone else who said anything bad about Tesla or Musk. A common thread is that they always try to present critics as liars and try to destroy their reputation.

It's happened so often, that we must assume it's their standard method of operation.

And whether that call was made by Musk himself or someone he instructed to ruin that persons life doesn't really make a difference. The fact is that Musk himself or one of his bullies lied to the police and they got away with it.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #213
post #122

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Elon Musk is a real engineer, especially if other engineers said he's an engineer.[1] Whatever his history is with other people or whatever his personality flaws or weakness, he's the real deal. [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

>if other engineers said he's an engineer Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

I'm a software engineer. I do software engineering with other software engineers. But I didn't go to school for it, I was self-taught. That doesn't make me less of an engineer.

It's ok to express an opinion about Musk either way. You can not like him for all kinds of reasons. But he actually wrote video games as a kid growing up. He wrote code at his earliest startups and a lot of it.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

I find it interesting that you position this guy as a "hero" with supporting arguments being that he brought failed legal action against someone else for calling him a name on twitter, while implying the reason he lost was because the hero chose to hire a crazy lawyer. Then say he's clearly a hero since the lawyer he chose has opinions about things you don't personally agree with, as if that has any relevance whatsoever to the legal case here.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #185

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So now you can update your son based on another comment we know that Elon was lied to by a private investigator - and seems safe to assume his comments based on that faulty/made up information; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27796249 Elon is a good role model, he's not perfect though. I'm not sure why so many people blindly put him on a pedestal assuming he should be superhuman - especially at the abnormal leve…

To me hiring an investigator to find dirt on a guy who bruised your ego by pointing out correctly that the sub sucks, is already crossing a lot of lines for me.

It wasn't just bruised ego, the guy brought legal charges against Musk claiming libel.

How is hiring a 3rd party to investigate the underlying libel not a good initial response? Especially if he could easily afford it.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #225

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Vernon Unsworth. He sued Musk for libel in the United States and lost. Musk not only called him "pedo guy" on Twitter, but implied he had married a child bride, when he hadn't, and later hired a private investigator to dry to dig up dirt on Unsworth, which found nothing. Musk also sent this letter to Buzzfeed where he doubled down. He thought it was off the record, and says some terrible things: https://www.buzzfeedn…

I find it interesting that you position this guy as a "hero" with supporting arguments being that he brought failed legal action against someone else for calling him a name on twitter, while implying the reason he lost was because the hero chose to hire a crazy lawyer. Then say he's clearly a hero since the lawyer he chose has opinions about things you don't personally agree with, as if that has any relevance whatsoe…

Pretty sure the reason he is being positioned as a hero is due to his involvement in literally saving the lives of 12 children.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #213

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>if other engineers said he's an engineer Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

I'm a software engineer. I do software engineering with other software engineers. But I didn't go to school for it, I was self-taught. That doesn't make me less of an engineer. It's ok to express an opinion about Musk either way. You can not like him for all kinds of reasons. But he actually wrote video games as a kid growing up. He wrote code at his earliest startups and a lot of it.

It kinda does, not because you were self trained, but because it is software engineering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_en...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #212
post #181

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This is 100% public perception that he's a business development guy and all, because all we see is him tweeting, memeing, and sometime making a fool of himself. He's an engineer, and there's a bunch of engineers who worked with him who will attest to that.

Why do you need someone who worked with him to attast it? Engineer is something you go to school to become, not something you become because you have money or workers. Either he have an education as an engineer or he isn't an engineer. Giving yourself a title in your own company doesn't make it so.

You definitely don't need formal education in order to be an engineer.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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post #202

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Perhaps, perhaps not. The market innovation of Tesla--selling electric vehicles based on sportiness and performance rather than eco-friendliness--pre-dates musk's involvement with the company.

The need for a certain portion of the internet to defend Musk at all times is absolutely weird.

Yin and Yang.

The defenders come out of the woodwork at approximately the same moment the attackers do.

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