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25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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This is not related to the article, but to networking in general: I just discovered Brocade switches and how cheap they can be for what you get.

https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/brocade-ic...

Between wanting to dabble with a 10G file server and thinking of hosting 40-60 person LANs, this is incredible.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Yes I can unfortunately confirm this. Don't know how much has changed, but about a year ago my current employer evaluated about 10 desktop pcs from dell, lenovo, hp and the likes as all staff was supposed to get new machines. One of the important criteria was power consumption. The few AMD systems that were among the contestants had absolutely ridiculous idle consumption and weren't even considered any further.

Using local retail electricity prices, the idle power draw of 20-40W for the AMD CPUs comes out to $20-$40 per annum. If THAT breaks the bank, run screaming from your workplace as fast as you possibly can. The bean counters can't count, and they're being penny wise and pound foolish in the worst possible way. AMD CPUs run circles around anything Intel makes. Total performance, performance per core, price/performance,…

How much does it cost to run new power through a room to handle “only” an extra 5 amps when you’re already maxed out? Without shutting work down?

How much does it costs to install another couple tons of AC when you are already having trouble keeping the room at 74°?

It’s easy to paint people as stupid when you think of things incrementally and ignore thresholds entirely. The bigger fool is the person who treats hardware and physical infrastructure as if they are elastic. They are not.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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I have a computer in a room that’s generally otherwise too cold… so all that power is just useful heat dumped into the room.

Albeit not as efficient as say a heat pump

Well given that all but a tiny percentage of the energy consumed that’s not waste heat is either going into useful computing or keeping fans spinning (which you would have in any sort of HVAC solution), I’d say it’s super efficient.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Albeit not as efficient as say a heat pump

Significantly cheaper though.

Commodity window-mount heat pumps which run off household power outlets can be had for a few hundred dollars, and are good for a minimum of a couple kilowatts of heat output.

Any computing solution which dumps a couple kilowatts of heat and didn’t fall off a truck would probably cost more than that.

Computers are fairly efficient heaters, but they’re a lot more expensive than heaters.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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The most surprising details was [1] from init7. >Compatibility requirements There is no obligation on you to procure the hardware through us, and the hardware shown here is not the only possible hardware for you to use. There are also other compatible products, as long as the requisite «bi-di» fibre optic technology conforms to the following specifications (recommended: Flexoptix, more router information): No Modem /…

A lot of fibre is GPON (a type of PON, passive optical network), a scheme where each customer receives data from multiple other customers as well as their own data, so it would be very insecure for them to allow customers to use their own ONT. If you can get AON (active optical networking), then likely they will allow BYO ONT. Note that AON requires more hardware that is more expensive on the ISP side.

I know there are lots of GPON Network that allows you to use your own ONT, and I think that is even by law in Germany where you could log in with username and password just like DSL. I know in GPON they are all shared but I never thought about the security aspect of it, so thanks for pointing that out I will dig a little bit deeper in to the subject.

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The most surprising details was [1] from init7. >Compatibility requirements There is no obligation on you to procure the hardware through us, and the hardware shown here is not the only possible hardware for you to use. There are also other compatible products, as long as the requisite «bi-di» fibre optic technology conforms to the following specifications (recommended: Flexoptix, more router information): No Modem /…

A lot of fibre is GPON (a type of PON, passive optical network), a scheme where each customer receives data from multiple other customers as well as their own data, so it would be very insecure for them to allow customers to use their own ONT. If you can get AON (active optical networking), then likely they will allow BYO ONT. Note that AON requires more hardware that is more expensive on the ISP side.

Isn't the downstream traffic in GPON encrypted?!

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I can unfortunately confirm this. Don't know how much has changed, but about a year ago my current employer evaluated about 10 desktop pcs from dell, lenovo, hp and the likes as all staff was supposed to get new machines. One of the important criteria was power consumption. The few AMD systems that were among the contestants had absolutely ridiculous idle consumption and weren't even considered any further.

Using local retail electricity prices, the idle power draw of 20-40W for the AMD CPUs comes out to $20-$40 per annum. If THAT breaks the bank, run screaming from your workplace as fast as you possibly can. The bean counters can't count, and they're being penny wise and pound foolish in the worst possible way. AMD CPUs run circles around anything Intel makes. Total performance, performance per core, price/performance,…

For starters, it's almost 30ct per kwh here. But admittedly I don't know what they pay being at 12k employees, size-wise. Most of these computers are being used for mundane office jobs, so I'm fairly certain idling is what these machines do for most of their life. As for performance, I'm still running a third gen i5 at my job from 2012 and actually doing dev work. It's still doing just fine. I think I'll upgrade this time, but I skipped the last 3 models out of laziness.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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> Our network cards need PCIe 3.0, so that disqualifies 5 chipsets right away: only the A520, B550 and X570 chipsets remain. No, the linked Wikipedia page only shows the PCIe lanes connected through the chipset and doesn't account for PCIe lanes provided directly from supported CPUs. X470 supports CPUs which have PCIe 3.0 and a board with x8/x8 mode like the ROG Strix X470-F https://www.asus.com/microsite/motherboard…

Thank you. I have added a note to the article with your correction :)

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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The most surprising details was [1] from init7. >Compatibility requirements There is no obligation on you to procure the hardware through us, and the hardware shown here is not the only possible hardware for you to use. There are also other compatible products, as long as the requisite «bi-di» fibre optic technology conforms to the following specifications (recommended: Flexoptix, more router information): No Modem /…

A lot of fibre is GPON (a type of PON, passive optical network), a scheme where each customer receives data from multiple other customers as well as their own data, so it would be very insecure for them to allow customers to use their own ONT. If you can get AON (active optical networking), then likely they will allow BYO ONT. Note that AON requires more hardware that is more expensive on the ISP side.

In https://twitter.com/kuenzler/status/1397814747379154944 (German), Fredy Künzler from init7 talks about PON and why init7 is opposed to it.

He makes the calculation that from the ≈3000 CHF needed to connect a location with fiber, only 50 CHF difference come down to PON or AON. The advantage of dedicated lines (for all ISPs, too!) overweighs the financial savings in his reasoning.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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SFP requires less energy than RJ45, only 0.7W/port. The MikroTik 4-port CRS305-1G-4S+IN draws 10-18W.

> MikroTik 4-port CRS305-1G-4S+IN I have two of these at home, they're neat little bits of kit. They're fanless and therefore silent, which is fine until you realise you want to do 10GbE over existing copper cables with something like Mikrotik's S+RJ10 adapter. Then the temps start to rise... So, I've decided to go completely to fibre, even if it means opening up the walls of the house. Just bought a job lot of used…

Another good tip is to use Direct Attach Cables (DAC), which have a much lower power consumption and save you the cost of 2 fiber optics as well. This only works on short distances of course, but between the MikroTik and a few devices that might very well be the case.
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