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“One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by FearlessNebula »

Planktonne wrote: post #136
FearlessNebula wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

He didn't 'talk shit' about a 'good faith attempt'. Unsworth - who knew the cave system - said that Musk's idea was impractical and a PR stunt. Both of those claims are valid and came from a reliable source. During a crisis, there is no particular need to be polite to people getting in the way.

I thought he called Elon name’s on Twitter and Elon reciprocated (two wrongs don’t make a right). Maybe I am wrong. Even if his idea was impractical, I was under the impression that he made a best effort attempt (I doubt he willingly chose something impractical) and the solution they chose was the better one (divers).

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by FearlessNebula »

cma wrote: post #143
FearlessNebula wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't excuse Elon slandering Vernon Unsworth, but didn't Vernon talk shit about Elon's good faith attempt at making a submarine to try to rescue the people?

Didn't Elon disrupt the whole operation at one point, traveling there to get footage or an Instagram Story video? It is easy to see what is going on and that it isn't in good faith. Look a his breached commitments during the Flint water crisis (filter every home to below FDA levels), coronavius (produce ventilators), Peurto Rico huricane aftermath, and more. He as a common pattern with these kind of events.

I’m not familiar with his commitments during flint or the hurricane, but his behavior during COVID was despicable. I’m pretty sure he fought to try and prevent work from home, and constantly downplayed the severity of the disease.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by cmurf »

bambax wrote: post #56
arcticbull wrote: post #42

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Yea haha I was going to remind folks of that too. Elon was building a submarine that everyone involved told him was a terrible idea and to please leave them alone because he was hampering the effort, and Elon responded by calling one of the lead rescuers a “pedo guy” and got sued over it. I believe his defense was that “pedo guy” was a common insult in South Africa. Simpler times haha.

Musk showed his true character.

So did the American legal system.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by dools »

This is such an awe inspiring story, and at the same time it made me sad.

It reminded me of the story of a young Rwandan girl who was about the same age as those trapped boys when she and her family escaped to the Congolese jungle … I can’t remember her name but she ultimately survived and has become a public activist.

She tells her story now frequently and I remember her saying that she though the entire world must have suffered some catastrophe because no one was coming to save them.

Later she found out it was just because no one really cared enough to save them.

Imagine if we treated all lives with such value, and applied the same heroism and bravery to their rescue.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by wnevets »

fab1an wrote: post #45

The most harrowing thing I have read in a long time. I can't even begin to fathom the immense bravery of these divers - and that of the boys. I didn't really follow the Musk bit of the story, but the fact that he had the audacity to shitpost about any of these guys make me think vastly less of him (and I'm usually in the Musk-respecter camp)

That was the exact moment I decided I would never buy a Tesla despite wanting one.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by IX-103 »

stanrivers wrote: post #2

Good lord, I am hyperventilating just reading this. The people that went in and saved these boys are amazing. I am glad the author took the time to pull this together to share the story of the divers as well. Absolutely amazing - mind-boggling amazing - what dedicated, skilled, selfless people can do.

Did you see the video that was linked where they go back through the path they swam after the water cleared out? https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zGEmSHP4Idw&list=UUSPfkBf-K2vQ...

I'd be too scared to go through there dry. That's insane.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by NavinF »

heavyset_go wrote: post #91
jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #60

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When Musk first appeared I was hugely supportive. Definitely a fan of what he was doing both with SpaceX and Tesla. I'm still a fan of what those companies are doing but Elon has destroyed my view of him with his own behavior and words. We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs preten…

> We should stop turning a blind eye to his labor practices. Likewise, we should give the engineers and other workers that are actually accomplishing these things more credit, vs pretending it's one lone genius. We also need to hold him to account when Musk tries to ruin the lives of his employees who speak up about what goes on in his companies. He even tried to frame one of them as a mass shooter to police[1] in an…

Source does not support your claim. It says that an anonymous tip got the employee swatted.

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by camjohnson26 »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #152
cma wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Elon disrupt the whole operation at one point, traveling there to get footage or an Instagram Story video? It is easy to see what is going on and that it isn't in good faith. Look a his breached commitments during the Flint water crisis (filter every home to below FDA levels), coronavius (produce ventilators), Peurto Rico huricane aftermath, and more. He as a common pattern with these kind of events.

I’m not familiar with his commitments during flint or the hurricane, but his behavior during COVID was despicable. I’m pretty sure he fought to try and prevent work from home, and constantly downplayed the severity of the disease.

Not to mention reopened in defiance of Alameda County regulations.

And Vernon did not initiate the Twitter fight, he gave an interview and suggested Musk "stick his submarine where it hurts". Musk took to Twitter where he has millions of followers to strike back.

The tweets are deleted but somebody saved a screenshot: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by camjohnson26 »

FearlessNebula wrote: post #151
Planktonne wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't 'talk shit' about a 'good faith attempt'. Unsworth - who knew the cave system - said that Musk's idea was impractical and a PR stunt. Both of those claims are valid and came from a reliable source. During a crisis, there is no particular need to be polite to people getting in the way.

I thought he called Elon name’s on Twitter and Elon reciprocated (two wrongs don’t make a right). Maybe I am wrong. Even if his idea was impractical, I was under the impression that he made a best effort attempt (I doubt he willingly chose something impractical) and the solution they chose was the better one (divers).

Musk started the Twitter fight after Unsworth gave an interview: https://twitter.com/RickyReports/status/1018597245275557888?...

Re: “One Day Longer and Those 13 Boys Would Be Dead”

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Post by freeopinion »

krapp wrote: post #150
freeopinion wrote: post #149

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You don’t seem to understand the power that a platform like Musk’s has. He put forward his idea. He built a prototype. He did initial testing. He put out a lot of work (or paid/persuaded others to do so). He was mocked and criticized and rejected. We don't have to play what if on your scenario. We can see the real world results. If you want to play what if... What if he provided dive robots and body submarines and ma…

>"Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw Except when it doesn't. Sometimes the unreasonable man is just an asshole who wants to play Batman and progress depends on ignoring him completely.

The heros that rescued those kids came up with a preposterous and unreasonable plan. We could have ignored them, too. And ignored the drilling crews, and the dudes with miles of hose and giant pumps. We could have said that any rescue would require an unreasonable effort.

It sure is easy to slip "we" all over that paragraph. I certainly don't deserve any credit for the decisions that were made and the heroics that saved the day.

But if we reject all the unreasonable efforts, we are left with the status quo. That would mean those kids wouldn't have even been located, let alone rescued. Thank goodness for people who flew around the world to do crazy things. Thank goodness for divers who ditched their wives on their anniversary and flew over there just on the chance they might carry the bottles for the Navy experts. Those are not reasonable actions.

Unreasonable people aren't always right. Maybe they're not even usually right. Maybe. But thank goodness for the times when progress depended on them and they didn't fail us by being reasonable.

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