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Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by teekert » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 9:37 PM UTC

ta988 wrote: post #141

teekert wrote: post #48

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My home server is about 70W, meaning about 150€ a year (~0.20 eur/kWH). So about 12€ a month. For one of my biggest hobbies. It’s fun, but it also runs WireGuard, 3 NextCloud installs, Home Assistant and Mosquitto, 2 MineCraft servers, a FoundryVTT instance, samba, sabnzbd, Unify Controller, an Nginx static site, LibreSpeed, VaultWarden and soon a Django site. Oh and a virtual desktop (vnc) I can always leave running…

Yes we should stop chastising people like that. You have long hair, you use more water, shampoo and drying. You drink coffee how many wh for that cup and its content. We could always find something in others where they consume more. My neighbors keep all their lights on almost all the time in every room. The other one has AC on all day to full power even when it is cooler outside... So complaining that someone uses a…

Oh I never felt chastised… before…

I mean I agree with not wasting energy of course, but what we’re talking about here is really nothing compared to driving a car or making a couple of pots of tea a day, for example. I refuse to feel chastised!

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by n3dm » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 9:38 PM UTC

eqvinox wrote: post #281

n3dm wrote: post #256

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This hardly is relevant to your internet speeds with steam downloads. It is much more CPU dependent when you are operating at such high speeds.

A modern CPU + NIC combination will be twiddling its thumbs on a bulk download at 10G. There's a whole sleuth of optimization and offload features between the NIC and the CPU, and they work particularly well with a low number of high bandwidth data streams. The real problem starts when you're doing lots of small packets all over the place. Which is not something you'll likely run into at home, ever.

No, it's still nothing to do with that for steam. Its their compression.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by teekert » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

josephcsible wrote: post #137

teekert wrote: post #48

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My home server is about 70W, meaning about 150€ a year (~0.20 eur/kWH). So about 12€ a month. For one of my biggest hobbies. It’s fun, but it also runs WireGuard, 3 NextCloud installs, Home Assistant and Mosquitto, 2 MineCraft servers, a FoundryVTT instance, samba, sabnzbd, Unify Controller, an Nginx static site, LibreSpeed, VaultWarden and soon a Django site. Oh and a virtual desktop (vnc) I can always leave running…

> (~0.20 eur/kWH) Are such high electricity prices common in Europe? That's higher than it is in 49 of the 50 US states (assuming 0.20 EUR = 0.24 USD, and with Hawaii being the exception).

I never thought about it, as far as I know it’s been stable like this for years now… Gas is getting more and more expensive though.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by m463 » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 9:42 PM UTC

Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

I think I priced it recently and it was $499/mo (+ hidden upcharges) for 1 gig. their lowest price was $65/month for 35/5

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by foolmeonce » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 9:43 PM UTC

sschueller wrote: post #264

Bud wrote: post #220

The real story here is how great the internet service can be now in a civilized country if you don't let Comcast have monopolies and ban local internet cooperatives and coast along selling the same service for 15 years while raising prices. 25Gbps symmetric for about $70/month. That's significantly less than I pay Comcast for its crappy 900Mbps down/40Mbps up service.

The primary reason the cost for init7 is so low is that for example in Zürich city the fiber network is owned by the city (like water pipes and power lines) and paid for by the tax payer. Any provider can provide their service over it. Places outside the city that don't have these kinds of fiber connections aren't this lucky.

> paid for by the tax payer.

Actually the Zurich build out was only financed by the tax payer to be done by the electric company and Swisscom. Internet providers must each have equal options to lease the last mile from whoever built it out in a given city or town; it isn't free.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by lostlogin » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

flatiron wrote: post #238

lostlogin wrote: post #229

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Does Google check or care what is on there? That would make me nervous.

I use encfs. Big scary warning on Ubuntu when you install it that it’s not 100% fool proof but for storing tv and movies in the cloud I think it’s fine. Best part is it’s totally seemless on my end. Uploads encrypted and my view is unencrypted.

Thanks.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by jiggawatts » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:17 PM UTC

iforgotpassword wrote: post #85

formerly_proven wrote: post #59

> I read on many different sites that AMD’s current CPUs beat Intel’s CPUs in terms of performance per watt. We can better achieve goals 2 and 3 (low noise and low power usage) by using fewer watts, so we’ll pick an AMD CPU and mainboard for this build. Unfortunately many reviews are very misleading here. Zen 2/3 CPUs have good performance per Watt, that's true. But for a machine like this, which will be mostly idle,…

Yes I can unfortunately confirm this. Don't know how much has changed, but about a year ago my current employer evaluated about 10 desktop pcs from dell, lenovo, hp and the likes as all staff was supposed to get new machines. One of the important criteria was power consumption. The few AMD systems that were among the contestants had absolutely ridiculous idle consumption and weren't even considered any further.

Using local retail electricity prices, the idle power draw of 20-40W for the AMD CPUs comes out to $20-$40 per annum.

If THAT breaks the bank, run screaming from your workplace as fast as you possibly can. The bean counters can't count, and they're being penny wise and pound foolish in the worst possible way.

AMD CPUs run circles around anything Intel makes. Total performance, performance per core, price/performance, and performance per watt.

Giving all of that up for... $20? Seriously?

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by jodrellblank » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:22 PM UTC

tibbon wrote: post #116

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

I’ve got a handful of computers running in a rack at home. Their total power? Around 400w. I also have a dehumidifier running all the time in the basement. It’s power usage is 500w. No one bats and eye at a heater or dehumidifier, but a computer and people get worried

> "No one bats and eye at a heater"

Then where did the sitcom style stereotype of Dad always turning the thermostat down come from?

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by deckard1 » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:30 PM UTC

eqvinox wrote: post #282

deckard1 wrote: post #254

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I'd probably go with SuperMicro X10SDV-4C-TLN2F. It already has 10GbE. Xeon D-1521 2x 10GbE ports onboard 6x SATA3 ports Accepts ECC RDIMM DDR4 (usually cheaper than UDIMM ECC) 1x PCIe 3.0 x16 1x M.2 slot There is one on ebay right now for $230 USD shipped. Also, if you're going for lower power consumption I believe you can disable the IPMI and the 2nd 10GbE port if you don't need it. There are other ways to reduce c…

The cheap ones (including the one you mentioned) are useless because they have 10Gbase-T. You need SFP+ slots to hook up your provider's fiber. Which is kinda sad too because implementing 10Gbase-T is more expensive to implement and more expensive to run (because the 10Gb-T PHY burns power.) Sadly, there's not enough knowledge about this going around.

yes, well you can get a cheap transceiver for that. You're still going to have to talk to something else and that all goes out the window if you have existing copper in your house or need to have wired devices (NAS, smart TV, xbox, literally anything at all). You probably can't even find a wifi AP that has SFP+ that doesn't cost you 3 arms and 5 legs.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by f3d46600-b66e » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 10:32 PM UTC

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

My Netgear access point consumes 7-8watts. My home server, with 2*12TB drives, 2*3TB, and 1nvme, which also acts as NVR (for POE cameras), recording 24x7, and which also acts as owncloud server (and few other things) consumes 40-50watts (and it includes a 10gbps SFP+ fiber). It also includes a wireless card and acts as an access point. It also runs a few VMS, continuous integration server, pihole and other stuff.

This is not x100, it's x7 times. And the utility is much much higher.

Before, i was using amd Apu, and it consumed 20-30 watts, but did not support AES-NI, which made the disk access limited to 60MB/s :-(

It's way cheaper to run everything at home than paying for the cloud, even if u include electricity cost.

It's about $50/year for electricity (1 watt 24/7 =~ $1 per year)