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Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of niche cases, every user I've ever talked to, here or in-person, has only ever used brand loyalty as their reason for using it. With a userbase like that, why bother making a good service, particularly when you don't have the institutional competency to do so?

Okay, in a comment you left literally three minutes before this you were accusing someone else of being "stuck in a 2010 Apple vs Google fanboy-war view of the world," and now you're saying, in so many words, only people who are fanboys use Apple maps because Apple fans are sheep so why should Apple bother. Pick a lane.

Yes, the juxtaposition occurred to me. But this is not an accurate representation of my view:

> you're saying, in so many words, only people who are fanboys use Apple maps because Apple fans are sheep so why should Apple bother.

This is a reasonable interpretation if you read my comment carelessly, because I was pretty imprecise with my phrasing.

First off, I don't think my sample is close to representative of all users, but I've come across it often enough in diverse enough contexts that I'm comfortable considering brand-loyalty-as-motivation to be a non-trivial part of the market dynamic here.

I'm also not artificially deducing brand loyalty from assumptions about the quality of the product, and I recognize that its most famous failings don't encapsulate overall product quality (in fact, I didn't make any direct claims about product quality). The "brand-loyal" people I'm referring to are the ones who've explicitly said to me that they use Apple Maps so that it can "get more user data and get better". This kind of altruism is vanishingly rare in most product relationships, and brand loyalty is by far the most parsimonious explanation. This shouldn't be surprising; theres a reason that Apple's marketing and product competencies are world-renowned, and I have plenty of other from-the-horse's-mouth examples (like the family members who sincerely ask me why I'd choose an Android, as they had _literally_ never heard a reason other than "can't afford an iPhone").

Apple's relatively poor competency at services (vs hardware products) is a subjective claim, but one that isn't an unreasonable conclusion for a thoughtful person to land on (or disagree with).

To put it all together, something like this more accurately conveys my point:

I have enough data points of strong brand loyalty shaping Apple consumer behavior, particularly in the case of Maps, that I fairly consider it a non-trivial factor in usage of the product. I don't discount (and in fact directly call out) the possibility of the app fitting a specific consumer better, nor do I claim that it's not a better product overall, as I'm not familiar enough with it to make that claim. A situation with stickier brand loyalty _requires_ less competition on usability than the counterfactual (this is practically tautological).

If you can't see the difference between the above and the trivially-disprovable factual claims in the comment I described, then your definition of "fanboy" seems to be little more than "dislike a product I like".

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#192
Here in New Zealand there’s State Highway 1 which runs the length of the country. Because of our geography (long and thin) it’s basically the only way to cover long distances quickly.

Inexplicably once or twice a year Apple Maps decides that different sections of SH1 is closed and sends you on a wild detour.

Right now, Apple Maps thinks that a short 30m (100ft) stretch of SH1 is closed just north of Warkworth. (It’s not closed, I drive it daily, and have reported to Apple weeks ago.)

The suggested detour is a miserable, slow, and windy drive. Why Apple, why?!

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#193
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Google maps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apple maps here in Europe especially for medium sized cities (in big cities apple works fine but still a lot worse then google). For me it seems like fair exchange to give some data, for free and very good service that have no real competition :)

OpenStreetMap >>>>>>>>> Google maps pretty much everywhere in EU (and RoW). I had better data in Harz, Bohemian Switzerland, Girona, Laos, Indian jungles etc which was way better than what Google provides. I would rather give my data to the qualitatively better option OSM than a controversial foreign firm that has questionable stance on user privacy.

May I ask what RoW stands for? Google isn’t being helpful since it’s just the word “row”.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStreetMap >>>>>>>>> Google maps pretty much everywhere in EU (and RoW). I had better data in Harz, Bohemian Switzerland, Girona, Laos, Indian jungles etc which was way better than what Google provides. I would rather give my data to the qualitatively better option OSM than a controversial foreign firm that has questionable stance on user privacy.

May I ask what RoW stands for? Google isn’t being helpful since it’s just the word “row”.

I think they mean "Rest of (the) World"

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#195
post #117

I use Waze because I want to know where the cops are.

With CarPlay Apple Maps now has an option to report radar and hazards. Google also now owns Waze and uses info from it to show hazards.

My experience (NZ) is that it’s 50-50 whether you get the “Fixed speed camera ahead!” warning before, or after, you drive past the speed camera. (Even approaching the same camera from different directions!)

The position of the cameras is correctly marked on the map, so you just need to keep an eye on the map rather than trust the audible alerts.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenStreetMap >>>>>>>>> Google maps pretty much everywhere in EU (and RoW). I had better data in Harz, Bohemian Switzerland, Girona, Laos, Indian jungles etc which was way better than what Google provides. I would rather give my data to the qualitatively better option OSM than a controversial foreign firm that has questionable stance on user privacy.

May I ask what RoW stands for? Google isn’t being helpful since it’s just the word “row”.

Republic of Wales

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In London I find Apple Maps superior to Google Maps in almost every way. Apple's cycling routing is miles ahead of Google's.

> In London I find Apple Maps superior to Google Maps in almost every way Google Maps is good in a backwater town in some country you've never heard of.

You mean like Karachi, Pakistan? Is that a backwater town to you?

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#198

Apple maps has a lot of weaknesses, particularly the search along route limitations that I bump into all the time. Mostly in the US it's "good enough" though. BUT when I started seeing so many obvious advertising things going on in google maps the writing was on the wall. Lately the advert items started looking an awful lot like my starred places, that's some dark patterns I'm not going to put up with.

Still better than partnering with Yelp, I would think. Apple Maps puts Yelp front and center like one of its star performers.

Hopefully this is going away soon enough. This is from iOS 14 last year, https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/08/26/apple-maps-will-l....

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was very happy when Apple "finally" added cycling directions in London. That was the only reason why I used Google Maps. Apple does give me some funky directions through Victoria Park, though I'm always surprised when any map service can route through parks somewhat well.

Why did you switch?

Personally I prefer using Apple Maps when possible because the app is a lot more fluid, it has a dark mode, and it feels better about privacy.

Re: Apple Maps vs. Google Maps

#200

I’m curious - does anyone reading this agree with the notion that Apple maps is becoming comparable to Google maps? I haven’t given it a fair shot in almost a decade I guess, and it was almost unusable then. Does anyone here use it as a daily driver? What are the strong and weak points?

I’ve been using Apple Maps in Canada, and I’d say it’s decidedly better than the competition. Navigation is at least as good as Google and Waze, and the UI/UX is far superior. Biggest deficiency is search and POI information. I’ll usually search a location on Google Maps to get general information about it, before using Apple Maps to navigate there.
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