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Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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Was just watching Youtube video Veritassium about the non-existence of learning styles yesterday. I wonder if similar studies would show that there really are no introverts vs. extroverts in the sense that all people really have roughly the same need for human contact. Kind of like everyone needs physical activity, but some people gravitate more to it than others. Probably the wrong forum to voice such a theory...

You must be an extrovert. I don't think it's black and white. It's more like a spectrum. Some people become more drained than others when hanging around other people. Also, some people like to hang out with many different people each day while others prefer to see more or less the same person every day. I'm an introvert, I have very few friends but very good friends. I find most relationships to be too superficial to…

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Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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What were the long lines for?

Occupancy of things like grocery stores was limited, but people still needed to go to them. Many had long lines out the door. (Reference point: suburb of Boston)

Ah, that's right... Per another comment I made, I was in the very fortunate position of being able to pay a premium for delivery. So I didn't see the grocery store situation, though I know they set up special times for seniors to come and shop. I also very much appreciated the fact that the people delivering groceries didn't have the luxury of working from home and tried to calculate tips that were high enough that even if they had a few inconsiderate people who didn't tip that mine made up for some of it. (And also account for people who needed to stay safe and have groceries delivered but couldn't afford to be as generous)

It's interesting how all of this highlighted social divisions, even subtle ones that weren't much of an issue before, like well paid doctors and nurses and other medical staff that couldn't work from home, and had to take risks with their & their family's safety:

I know someone whose spouse is an EMT, and they basically has to quarantine him in the house to stay safe because they worked in an extreme outbreak hotspot. Even then, the EMT brought home COVID and the other spouse ended up in the hospital, all just before the vaccine became available. That person still hasn't fully recovered, even though they're otherwise a perfectly health non-risk-group person, still weakened enough that even a partial return to working in person is at least a few weeks away.

There's going to be research for decades just on all of the social impacts this has had on society.

The closest comparison I can think off-- though not perfect-- are the social and workforce changes that occured I'm the wake of WWII... Not to mention the failed attempt afterwards to put the genie back in the bottle of women in the workplace.

Strange, interesting, horrific times we're in.

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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False dichotomy.

Introverts on average took less of a hit, as they didn't see much change to their lives and many of them already had remote jobs they were able to keep during lockdowns.

This doesn't mean they're loving it.

Well I gotta say many preppers were loving it though.

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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Really it was a lose-lose situation. Ignore it and you stack bodies in a freezer truck like in NYC. Lock down and a lot of your businesses no longer exist. Hopefully we're done with it for the next 100 years.

> Really it was a lose-lose situation. Ignore it and you stack bodies in a freezer truck like in NYC. I can't tell whether this is sarcasm, but in the unlikely event that it's not, how do you explain every place that didn't lockdown having dramatically better numbers than NYC? Surely there's no remaining possibility of regarding lockdowns as a success? What data can possibly conclude this experiment if not the data w…

Overuse of ventilators in the first wave probably killed a ton more people than expected. Once they dialed back ventilator use and established cortison treatments and normal oxygen instead death rates lowered.

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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It's incredible to me how we see NLP models with billions of parameters struggling to act human even on paper, yet somehow many influential people still claim that the Myers-Briggs type indicator can give predictive value to a 4-bit model of human personality. I get that most people are likely unaware of the measures of complexity involved in these issues, but at the very least I would expect today's intellectual tre…

And if you are going to talk about personality traits then at LEAST talk about ones with some scientific backing (the Big 5)

The Big 5 replicate, but that's about all; they don't predict, work across cultures, and they're not really orthogonal. https://carcinisation.com/2020/07/04/the-ongoing-accomplishm...

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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post #58

i don't think a global pandemic is a chance to 'win' anything, wtf bbc.

Mood affinity. If pandemics are bad, the results should be bad. Never mind people who were able to move back home with their family, who got jobs because they do better in remote interviews, who escaped crowded workspaces with throat-clearing coworkers.

It might be insensitive to crow about winning from the pandemic in a conversation, but it definitely happened in fact.

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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Really it was a lose-lose situation. Ignore it and you stack bodies in a freezer truck like in NYC. Lock down and a lot of your businesses no longer exist. Hopefully we're done with it for the next 100 years.

The next “thing” will happen in 20 years. 9/11 -> Covid -> (whatever 2040 cooks up for us to make sure the next generation lives in fear)

OPs right,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Chronology

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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post #111

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The next “thing” will happen in 20 years. 9/11 -> Covid -> (whatever 2040 cooks up for us to make sure the next generation lives in fear)

OPs right, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics#Chronology

> wtf is with downvotes of this comment?

It clearly has nothing to do with epidemics, so what's your link supposed to prove?

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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I'd like to hear more about your life experience - how much human contact do you have on a weekly basis?

I have daily human contact online at work. I've never met one of my coworkers in the flesh. In meatspace, I drive into a tiny village once a week to get mail at the post office, usually talking to nobody. Every other week I go to a more distant small town and hit the grocery and hardware store, and pass a few words with a clerk or three. It isn't unusual for a month to go by without speaking in the flesh with anyone…

I'm not sure personal contact is that important. Imagine this page as a giant table, and when one speaks, the rest listen. Reading through all these comments feels like being in a room where conversation takes place. For older people who do not use internet, TV or Radio plays that role. Moreover, one soaks atmosphere of given community (even online), and adjusts behaviours, thoughts accordingly, to some point at least I think.

Re: Introverts didn't 'win' lockdown

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post #20

There aren’t any measurable elements of personality that are fixed. Personality changes as you age. I’ve witnessed a reversal in each of the Myers-Briggs markers in the past 15 years (from INTJ to ESFP) — not intentionally, but that’s just the way my life played out. I’ve come to see the truth of the matter like this: every human being has a need for socializing, but it takes effort and is exhausting. The amount of e…

Agree! One of the most harmful beliefs about the concept of intro-/extroversion is that it is something you are and not something you do. Many people limit themselves massively because of how they've labeled themselves. Especially in "strong introverts", the label is often used as a convenient excuse for not going through the often painful process of trying to improve their confidence skills and social skills. "I'm a…

> One of the most harmful beliefs about the concept of intro-/extroversion is that it is something you are and not something you do.

Nope. I'm not neurotypical. Stop trying to gaslight me into thinking I'm flawed because I'm not extroverted please. This rationale is the gay conversion therapy for introverts.

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