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25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by Zenst »

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

For some perspective, this is a nice list of many household appliances and their power usage: https://www.daftlogic.com/information-appliance-power-consum...

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by tzs »

baybal2 wrote: post #23
adamcharnock wrote: post #17

What is the practical consumer (or even SME) use of a 10 or 25G connection? As a consumer I’d definitely get it for the fun of it, but what is the point in reality? We’ve just launched an ISP a couple of weeks ago here in Europe. Peak bandwidth use is about 3mbps per customer, and customers will download the same amount of data regardless of their plan. I acknowledge this could be lack of imagination on my part, but…

> What is the practical consumer (or even SME) use of a 10 or 25G connection? Remote file storage, leasing servers for things like icecream, or basic HPC, self-hosting for a small business, even a small DC can run off it.

At what speed do you start to run into limits on the server side when it comes to remote file storage?

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by bluedino »

angrais wrote: post #113
mirekrusin wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For developer like me, I'm actually considering this option, it would be great to have PC like this available for some docker stuff as well, ie. MSSQL instance for development (Azure MSSQL version that runs on M1 is shit slow to the point it's unusable for development). Maybe even some tests could be offloaded from dev machine to this one etc. Would be nice to have single place for backups, photo library etc.

Why not just use your development machine for development? Also, why not use a remote server for deployment, testing, and building docker images? Most roles I have had offer such services (remote servers) as part of their costing so wouldn't cost you time, money, or effort. I agree that having a single place to backup photos etc, is important. I use an external SSD for such a purpose as imo it's more useful to have i…

>> Why not just use your development machine for development?

He said the M1 versions of MSSQL performs terribly

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by michael1999 »

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

Yes. In fact, apple’s AirPort Extreme units do that for macs in the house though their zeroconf networking. On sleep, the airport borrows the address and ARPs it. On traffic to that IP, it holds it, sends a special wake packet to the sleeping nic, and then re-sends the packet to with the real MAC, and the waking machine picks it up.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by flatiron »

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

I run just plex and pi hole. Money I save with plex that I don’t need a million different services and having no ads at home is well worth the price. One day my friends went out and I couldn’t go. They got all drunk and shared how much they rely on my plex and by the time I woke up I had close to $1k in PayPal and a note that said “for an upgrade and your time” so honestly I probably making out on the deal. Went from a haswell pentium to a ninth gen i3. 8 gigs to 16. SSD for the root drive. 8 TB staging server before going to google drive. $20 a month for unlimited google drive is way more than the power to run the server. But I have about 80TB on there. Can’t store that for less than $20 a month no matter how you slice it.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by yownie »

yakubin wrote: post #123
stefan_ wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a fan of the "turning the power strips off" method. Power supply failures are the number one reason why expensive electronics turn to bricks and subjecting them to the large inrush current that happens on the primary side every time you do the mechanical switch thing is a great way to significantly accelerate that process. Penny wise, pound foolish kind of thing.

That's the primary method of turning embedded devices on and off though. :) During development it's done around the clock and noone bats an eye. Rule of thumb: if a device doesn't have a power button, it's fine to turn off using the power strip.

I'd assume because development process doesn't need to deal with repercussions of accelerated power supply degradation

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by josephcsible »

teekert wrote: post #48
j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

My home server is about 70W, meaning about 150€ a year (~0.20 eur/kWH). So about 12€ a month. For one of my biggest hobbies. It’s fun, but it also runs WireGuard, 3 NextCloud installs, Home Assistant and Mosquitto, 2 MineCraft servers, a FoundryVTT instance, samba, sabnzbd, Unify Controller, an Nginx static site, LibreSpeed, VaultWarden and soon a Django site. Oh and a virtual desktop (vnc) I can always leave running…

> (~0.20 eur/kWH)

Are such high electricity prices common in Europe? That's higher than it is in 49 of the 50 US states (assuming 0.20 EUR = 0.24 USD, and with Hawaii being the exception).

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by qeternity »

johnwalkr wrote: post #60
adamcharnock wrote: post #17

What is the practical consumer (or even SME) use of a 10 or 25G connection? As a consumer I’d definitely get it for the fun of it, but what is the point in reality? We’ve just launched an ISP a couple of weeks ago here in Europe. Peak bandwidth use is about 3mbps per customer, and customers will download the same amount of data regardless of their plan. I acknowledge this could be lack of imagination on my part, but…

I have 10G in Tokyo and I think it’s about $60 USD per month vs $40 for 2G. It’s definitely overkill but it sure is nice to download a 60GB steam game in a minute or two.

The problem with 10g is that most servers aren’t on 10g yet and if you’re transiting a peering connection of a smaller ASN at some point, even that is likely not 10g

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by setBoolean »

j1elo wrote: post #4

I'm always amazed by people who don't bat an eye on the perspective of having a home server, sucking up electricity 24/7. In this case replacing a typical router (which consumes like a lightbulb), with a full-fledged PC (probably consuming like x100 the power). I guess some people around the world have quite cheap utility bills! For me, it's either a Raspberry Pi type of power consumption, or else a server that only…

I have a HomeKit power plug that is able to measure the power usage. It sits before most of my living room devices including:

2x OG HomePods (Standby) - 55" Philips OLED (Standby) - Hue Bridge 2. Gen (Running) - ATV 4K 1.Gen (Standby) - Netatmo Weather Station (Running) - Linksys MR8300 OpenWrt 21.02 (Running) - Home Server (i5-6600, 16GB DDR3, 2x 256GB 850 EVO, 1Gb USB3 Ethernet Adapter as second NIC, Running)

Reading with all devices combined is 35-40W.

Re: 25 Gigabit Linux internet router PC build

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Post by pmorici »

Kind of surprised there wasn't much attention paid to the software. My understanding is that with stuff like DPDK and fd.io you can get much better performance without going to extremes with your hardware. Netgate TNSR is one product that puts all the opensource pieces together to make it easy but it is all opensource software so should be usable by the average home user.
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