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“Cat Person” and Me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing justifies threats. But in this case, the reasons that this would offend people -- that it makes untrue and unfair accusations about a real-world case-- are true. Or even worse than one would assume, even, in that it's not autobiographical and does the same about identifiable third parties.

It does not in fact make untrue and unfair accusations about a real world case. It is a work of fiction. Until this Slate article came out, there were, like, 4 people in the world that know about the story's inspiration.

It's not really about 'real world, individual people'.

It's a #MeToo era-story which is used to narrate supposedly 'real world threats'.

The reason that some might be upset, is because you have a real world story of a 'nice guy' - who was used as the basis to narrative a story about how 'men are bad' aka a warning about 'toxic masculinity' etc..

Here is 'The Atlantic's headline of the original 2017 publication:

"The depiction of uncomfortable romance in "Cat Person" seems to resonate with countless women." [1]

Here is NPR's headline:

"'Cat Person' Author's New Book Evokes #MeToo Themes" [2]

WaPo:

"Opinion: ‘Cat Person’ is a next step in the #MeToo movement" [3]

So that's literally the first three pieces that came up in the Google search - and those three publications are 'major, respected, institutions'. All three are using the 'creative fiction' to promote a narrative about men's supposed actions etc..

It's obviously not just about 'some random bit of fiction that happened to be about real people and those real people are upset'.

If this was Stephen King, who used his 'Real Life Doctor' as the inspiration for some diabolical character - that would be the story. But there wouldn't be any elevation of the story into some kind of narrative in that case ... so it'd just be about a possibly upset Doctor.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/12/a-vir...

[2] https://www.npr.org/2019/01/13/684894872/cat-person-author-s...

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/1...

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Here's a gem [4] it's literally an academic publication using the original story as basis for describing narcissism in the role of the oppression of women.

"I argue that Beauvoir’s notion of narcissism is an important tool for feminists today—well beyond the interpretation of Cat Person. It presses us to see systematic subordination not just as something done to women, but also as something women do to themselves. This in turn highlights the neglected role of self-transformation as a key aspect of feminist political resistance."

This is pseudo-intellectual hyperbole (published!) over a story that amounts to a giant lie.

It's intellectual bigotry.

[4] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

Re: “Cat Person” and Me

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Isn't there a villain, though? A creepy internet stalker writes a story about her stalkee's life, monetizes it and gets critical acclaim (and, again, a seven-figure advance for a collection of short stories that only had value due to that story ) for it, causing her strife? I can't help but feel that there's a clear villain here, and a villain that's trying to paint herself as the victim at that.

Lots of fiction writers use real people as the bases for characters; that doesn't make them "creepy internet stalkers". Cat Person was a work of fiction. There wasn't much ambiguity about that.

There's tons of ambiguity about it, hence this article and fascination with it, no? It raises the very interesting problem that literally everything about it was true, in a creepy, overly detailed way that indicates obsession, other than the horrible way it painted the man involved. Very, very, strange situation.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It does not in fact make untrue and unfair accusations about a real world case. It is a work of fiction. Until this Slate article came out, there were, like, 4 people in the world that know about the story's inspiration.

It's not really about 'real world, individual people'. It's a #MeToo era-story which is used to narrate supposedly 'real world threats'. The reason that some might be upset, is because you have a real world story of a 'nice guy' - who was used as the basis to narrative a story about how 'men are bad' aka a warning about 'toxic masculinity' etc.. Here is 'The Atlantic's headline of the original 2017 publication: "The…

I agree its obtuse for OP to pretend this was purely fictional, where fictional means its detached from any reality or any message whatsoever, given we're _far_ past those claims, as the article explains at length. Simultaneously, its hyperbolic to paint "seems to resonate" "evokes" and "Opinion:" as Major Respected Institutions Promoting A Narrative.

You both seem the be making the same fundamental error, neglecting the thrust of this article, and the original piece: things are ambiguous, and in that ambiguity, we can contemplate, and people find that contemplation fascinating

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there a villain, though? A creepy internet stalker writes a story about her stalkee's life, monetizes it and gets critical acclaim (and, again, a seven-figure advance for a collection of short stories that only had value due to that story ) for it, causing her strife? I can't help but feel that there's a clear villain here, and a villain that's trying to paint herself as the victim at that.

Lots of fiction writers use real people as the bases for characters; that doesn't make them "creepy internet stalkers". Cat Person was a work of fiction. There wasn't much ambiguity about that.

The presentation of the story is actually pretty subtle about it's fictional nature. Nowhere in body of the story does it say it's a work of fiction. Readers the miss the small "fiction" label in the header [1] could easily make the mistake of thinking it's a real story. And as per OP many did make this mistake.

1. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/12/11/cat-person

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I don't know what to think, I loved Cat Person when it came out, it felt like something new and fantastic writing. I didn't realize it went viral but not surprised. This article is also interesting and insightful, I wish the two of them could make something out of the situation that gets past the accusations and apologies.

I don't think anything Roupenian wrote lived up to Cat Person so maybe she just lucked onto someone else's story.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really about 'real world, individual people'. It's a #MeToo era-story which is used to narrate supposedly 'real world threats'. The reason that some might be upset, is because you have a real world story of a 'nice guy' - who was used as the basis to narrative a story about how 'men are bad' aka a warning about 'toxic masculinity' etc.. Here is 'The Atlantic's headline of the original 2017 publication: "The…

I agree its obtuse for OP to pretend this was purely fictional, where fictional means its detached from any reality or any message whatsoever, given we're _far_ past those claims, as the article explains at length. Simultaneously, its hyperbolic to paint "seems to resonate" "evokes" and "Opinion:" as Major Respected Institutions Promoting A Narrative. You both seem the be making the same fundamental error, neglecting…

"Simultaneously, its hyperbolic to paint "seems to resonate" "evokes" and "Opinion:" as Major Respected Institutions Promoting A Narrative."

This is literally a case study in 'narrative creation'.

That's exactly what that is.

They are even including the same hashtag in their pieces so that you can 'hashtag along' with the narrative!

This is almost every major publication you can think of, latching onto the same 'creative work of fiction' to project a social ideal.

This is how 'movements' move.

It's in a similar vein to how the narrative that 'The 2020 Election Was Stolen' was created - though half truths, misrepresentations, the story about that 'one guy who cheated on his mail in vote' (as though it was evidence of anything) etc..

Stories are used to help demonstrate (i.e. form a visceral connection) the issue that critical masses of people with influence want to project.

Of course they can often serve a good purpose ... just not in this case.

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not explicitly harmful or abusive but toeing the line of consent and leaving Margot feeling repulsed afterward. This is where the story diverges completely from my reality.

Roupenian spends a good portion of the story describing just how disgusting of a person he is. Of course, I know nothing about how Charles was with other women; I can only speak for myself. With me, at least, he was careful, patient, and gentle—it was the first time someone asked if they could kiss me instead of just doing it.

What an incredible slur against this man. So Kristen Roupenian copied real events so exactly that readers who knew the real people immediately identified them, except the only thing she changed was to make it so the guy is a disgusting predator of the younger woman and near-rapes her. Kristen Roupenian is a scumbag.

Re: “Cat Person” and Me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't there a villain, though? A creepy internet stalker writes a story about her stalkee's life, monetizes it and gets critical acclaim (and, again, a seven-figure advance for a collection of short stories that only had value due to that story ) for it, causing her strife? I can't help but feel that there's a clear villain here, and a villain that's trying to paint herself as the victim at that.

Lots of fiction writers use real people as the bases for characters; that doesn't make them "creepy internet stalkers". Cat Person was a work of fiction. There wasn't much ambiguity about that.

Imagine a story about Charles the software developer, who lives in Chicago, being a horrible, predatory romantic partner.

Not trying to imply that you are one of course, but that’s about as much detail she changed from the real life story—just the names. And now it was so successful that there’s going to be made about it starring Cousin Greg from HBO’s Succession. People love to gossip and will eventually put two and two together.

Re: “Cat Person” and Me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of fiction writers use real people as the bases for characters; that doesn't make them "creepy internet stalkers". Cat Person was a work of fiction. There wasn't much ambiguity about that.

There's tons of ambiguity about it, hence this article and fascination with it, no? It raises the very interesting problem that literally everything about it was true, in a creepy, overly detailed way that indicates obsession, other than the horrible way it painted the man involved. Very, very, strange situation.

It ran in the Fiction section of the New Yorker. No reasonable person is confused about this.
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