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Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by rantwasp » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 3:50 AM UTC

_l4lu wrote: post #3

One may wonder what exactly is the point in a human watching this auto-playing game system, and whether they'd be better off watching a movie... But another way to look at it is as a preview of the future. Just picture this: a world of machines battling it out for supremacy, and somewhere off to the side there is an almost forgotten human brain. It seems to serve no discernible purpose, and yet it is actually the rea…

yeah no. A machine does not have motivation. It does not have urges and desires. It may solve a problem perfectly buy it’s gonna be a while until they can grok why solving problems is worthwhile to begin with.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by modeless » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:00 AM UTC

Even game streaming services like Stadia won't be immune to cheating with this kind of setup.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by dexterhaslem » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

modeless wrote: post #12

Even game streaming services like Stadia won't be immune to cheating with this kind of setup.

well, ignoring the fact no one is doing competitive gaming on something with that horrible latency

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by narrator » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:20 AM UTC

The irony is that real war with actual guns that kill people will likely have aimbots on small arms in the next decade.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by nzmsv » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:32 AM UTC

rantwasp wrote: post #11

_l4lu wrote: post #3

One may wonder what exactly is the point in a human watching this auto-playing game system, and whether they'd be better off watching a movie... But another way to look at it is as a preview of the future. Just picture this: a world of machines battling it out for supremacy, and somewhere off to the side there is an almost forgotten human brain. It seems to serve no discernible purpose, and yet it is actually the rea…

yeah no. A machine does not have motivation. It does not have urges and desires. It may solve a problem perfectly buy it’s gonna be a while until they can grok why solving problems is worthwhile to begin with.

That's the point: the AI in my imaginary world doesn't need desires. The human brain is acting as a "desire coprocessor".

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by coolspot » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:33 AM UTC

okwubodu wrote: post #7

This is close to my ideal way of avoiding a runaway Ultron/Skynet-type AI scenario: airgap it and force the use of a physical mouse, monitor, and keyboard to interact with the outside world. At least once it reaches Twitter we can stop it before it destroys humanity one robotic keystroke at a time.

Connection to the world only through mouse/keyboard won’t stop AGI that is smarter and more productive than any hacker team in the world.

It will type it’s own source code (but better) into a hacked TPU/GPU/whatever cluster using a keyboard and vim, no problem.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by RHSeeger » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:37 AM UTC

smolder wrote: post #10

_l4lu wrote: post #3

One may wonder what exactly is the point in a human watching this auto-playing game system, and whether they'd be better off watching a movie... But another way to look at it is as a preview of the future. Just picture this: a world of machines battling it out for supremacy, and somewhere off to the side there is an almost forgotten human brain. It seems to serve no discernible purpose, and yet it is actually the rea…

Cheats are about two things: money or prestige. People want to get back at the players who so rudely beat them normally, and get high competitive rankings that make them look better than other players in that games community. Or, they use the cheats to create high ranking game accounts to sell to players who want to look good, or they simply cheat to win prize money. It should go without saying that this kind of acti…

> money or prestige

Or accomplishment. Some people cheat just to accomplish something.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by fdhfdjkfhdkj » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:40 AM UTC

RHSeeger wrote: post #17

smolder wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cheats are about two things: money or prestige. People want to get back at the players who so rudely beat them normally, and get high competitive rankings that make them look better than other players in that games community. Or, they use the cheats to create high ranking game accounts to sell to players who want to look good, or they simply cheat to win prize money. It should go without saying that this kind of acti…

> money or prestige Or accomplishment. Some people cheat just to accomplish something.

Or just to watch the world burn...

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by ALittleLight » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:42 AM UTC

I wonder if the anti-cheat system could insert ghost enemies for a few frames, or about 20-30ms, fast enough that humans wouldn't really notice. If players are shooting too often at ghosts, that may be a good reason to ban.

Re: Cheating in FPS by using a second computer to move mouse

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Post by l33t2328 » Sat, Jul 10, 2021, 4:43 AM UTC

narrator wrote: post #14

The irony is that real war with actual guns that kill people will likely have aimbots on small arms in the next decade.

I’m afraid you’ve been watching too many movies. This tech isn’t close to deployment for an infantryman.