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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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For kicks can we see home depot and cabelas? If not no worries.

Sure. Here's Home Depot: https://i.imgur.com/bqoV3LI.png Here's Cabela's: https://i.imgur.com/SLsba42.png BTW, I should note that this is showing weekly visits (and the same is true for the AMC chart). Again, this is Jan 2017 through July 4, 2021.

Thanks!

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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post #236

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I thought the short squeeze was in jan/feb, what’s that late spring jump?

> https://imgur.com/a/jTkXhtx The thesis that appears to be correct with AMC and GME is that the shorts never really covered, they simply kicked the can through some creative vehicles.

How do we know that? Is it possible that substantially all the active funds with a thesis on AMC/GME got out, so now the price is driven by retail meme buyers who have no price target?

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Barry: Call me. I'll show you where you can find great art in movies, an order of magnitude more than what was available before. I'm a big believer in data and not personal anecdotes, but if I can do it, Barry can (and you can). I never imagined so much incredible art existed on video as what I've seen in the last 5+ years on streaming. The standard for what I will watch has risen dramatically - I don't have to compr…

There is indeed lots of great art about at all levels, but what Diller is complaining about is the business of balancing mediocre productions that ae sure to be popular and make money with stuff that almost certainly won't be popular in the short term but deserves to be financed and produced so people can catch up to it later (which might be decades).

Diller worked in a business where studios banked on a combination of taste and business skill. What we have now is algorithmically curated entertainment product. That's why it's so easy to and amusing to make up imaginary Netflix categories like 'comedic survival-horror' or 'superficially profound movies you can quote at dinner parties while chasing a promotion.'

I agree with you in one way, but in another you're having your existing tastes affirmed within safe boundaries, and StreamCorp's goal is to be better at doing that than your friends or circumstances. You'll get lots of great viewing material that meets your aesthetic preferences, but not anything that really surprises or shakes you; you won't ever have a movie experience that causes you to walk around for 3 hours in the rain because you changed.

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Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

You're completely right and obviously many many people would want to go and see something like the good the bad and the ugly in theatres - probably enough to fill the theatre for a showing or two - but the problem is how would they know it's on? A lot of people look up what movies are on that week, but most people are aware that the big movies are ok a the moment because they're marketed and obviously that marketing costs money. What studio or theatre chain is going to spend millions (or even thousands) on marketing a 30+ year old movie that might take in a couple of hundred k at the box office.

There's a reason cinemas don't play old movies and it's not because they think there's no one who wants to see them, sadly the logistics of it are too costly (in all sorts of ways beyond just base line finances too).

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post #219

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Also beats the point of having a cell phone.

Isn't the point to play games and being able to login to most sites these days? It also gives you backup internet..

Not really, not for me and many others anyway. I would just get an LTE modem for backup internet, my PC is better at everything else. I'm not sure about which sites you're talking about, but you can also do 2FA without a phone.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

What you want is done in many cities across America. And probably across the world. Both by businesses and by the municipalities themselves. Typically, movie theaters that show "classics" tend to exist in larger cities, of course. Because smaller towns cannot support them economically. But many small towns also show classic movies, often for free, on a regular basis. Just look for it.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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For kicks can we see home depot and cabelas? If not no worries.

Sure. Here's Home Depot: https://i.imgur.com/bqoV3LI.png Here's Cabela's: https://i.imgur.com/SLsba42.png BTW, I should note that this is showing weekly visits (and the same is true for the AMC chart). Again, this is Jan 2017 through July 4, 2021.

Clearly, people do renovations in the spring and their Christmas shopping at Cabela's.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Ok, here's my problem with the movie theatre industry. There's 100+ years of fantastic historical content and we're not doing anything with it. 99% of what's shown in theaters is new releases. I understand we don't want to "go stale" as a society and that movie producers also need to make a living, but the balance is just way off. I would pay good money to see "the good the bad and the ugly" with my kids in a couple…

Movie theaters have a financial incentive to show old films if audiences are interested in watching, because the theaters get to keep a larger cut of the box office revenue compared to new releases. If the theaters aren’t showing old movies, I don’t think it’s because of a lack of imagination on their part.

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Before streaming, a movie studio actually had to convince an audience to leave their houses and buy a ticket to make money from a movie. This meant the studio had to pour a lot of money into marketing for each movie. The cost to market a movie could be up $30M to $50M range for a blockbuster movie. For a mid-budget drama like Meet Joe Black or A River Runs Through It, you could be looking at a marketing budget that m…

I think this is why I've been struggling with finding good films to watch nowadays. Shows are doing great but movies have been suffering. Take the movie "Nobody" for instance. How the hell that movie got the ratings it did I will never know. Not only is it not good, but it was nothing what it was marketed as. My solution to this is to watch actual films that are made with artistic intent or to see certain things that…

Isn't it said that there are only seven actual stories? That every story is a variation of those seven plots with different names, places, times, etc?

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post #210

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Looks kinda similar to the google search trends https://imgur.com/a/bbTjUkf

Yep. That's because people use Google to get directions to the nearest theater.

Good validation that Google Trends gets the quick and dirty job done for some queries for free.
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