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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by alisonkisk »

majormajor wrote: post #72
nineplay wrote: post #53

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> People who complain that nothing good is made anymore must just be looking at what's advertised heavily I can't speak for everyone but I think it's hard to find anything 'fun'. The indie films inevitably seem to be deadly serious, whether it's terrible crimes or failing relationships or the inevitably of death. If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. It feels different. Spi…

That's a broader cultural issue for all sorts of art today, not a movie specific thing. The depressed/angry mood has been building for a couple decades or more, and getting more widespread. Even something intentionally over the top like Fast and Furious or Marvel has more "serious issue" stuff in many of the installments from the last 5 years than previously. It's easier in the news to see all the bad stuff that used…

It's so weird to have people say Marvel is getting "so serious" now, when the movies are all using stories from decades old comic series.

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Post by alisonkisk »

nineplay wrote: post #53
handrous wrote: post #23

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> I won't mourn movie theatres (though I hope places emulate the likes of Alamo Drafthouse and do dinner, drinks and let us make an evening out of watching a movie), but I do worry about things like movie financing. It feels the industry has split in two, either making super-expensive superhero blockbusters or super cheap indie films. I'm informed by my cinemaphile friend that exactly this phenomenon has been much re…

> People who complain that nothing good is made anymore must just be looking at what's advertised heavily I can't speak for everyone but I think it's hard to find anything 'fun'. The indie films inevitably seem to be deadly serious, whether it's terrible crimes or failing relationships or the inevitably of death. If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. It feels different. Spi…

2019 (pre-covid) movies:

Men In Black, Shazam, Charlie's Angels, Jumanji, Murder Mystery, Big Time Adolescence, Scary Stories To Tell In The Dark, Good Boys, Weathering With You, Doom Annihilation...

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Post by cdstyh »

arcturus17 wrote: post #215
IAmGraydon wrote: post #133

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Placer is able to track cell phones that have an app installed that uses their SDK. They currently have their SDK in over 500 mobile apps. The data is anonymized, but it would probably shock people how much information I can get from this system. I just pick a location and I can see how many people walked into that location over any time span in the past 4 years, where they live, how much money they make, where else…

I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.

Well one of the first things we do on Mars will be to deploy a GPS constellation so our robots are able to locate themselves.

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Post by SeanBoocock »

Apocryphon wrote: post #134
jfengel wrote: post #120

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HBO had been doing it for a few years, with shows like The Wire and Deadwood. But Breaking Bad helped bring it to a wider audience, since AMC is basic cable rather than premium. (AMC had launched into that a year before with Mad Men, which was similarly TV as good film.)

I think the turn of the century start of the prestige drama cable age was The Sopranos , with The West Wing doing something similar on network TV.

I'd add Rome as perhaps a closer model to the sort of high budget, prestige television we're afforded now. First season had a budget in excess of $100 million dollars, a major increase over anything comparable (compare this to The Wire that was filming contemporaneously).

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by wolverine876 »

Barry: Call me. I'll show you where you can find great art in movies, an order of magnitude more than what was available before.

I'm a big believer in data and not personal anecdotes, but if I can do it, Barry can (and you can). I never imagined so much incredible art existed on video as what I've seen in the last 5+ years on streaming. The standard for what I will watch has risen dramatically - I don't have to compromise; I don't have the time and energy to see everything incredible thing I want to.

I rarely go to movie theaters because what is available on streaming is so much better, it's not a close call. Partly that's due to the availability of old stuff - what is the chance that the movie in this theater this weekend is at the level of the best movies in history? What is the chance that it's close enough to be worth the extra money and time for the better video and audio?

But the new quality stuff has exploded in volume too, and yes some is structured episodically (i.e., like TV) but why should the director be restricted in form? And I have access to new stuff from all over the world, from small to large productions. And I can take a risk on something new and change my mind, which isn't really practical at the movie theater.

I live in cinephile heaven. I'm not sure where Barry is?

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Post by telesilla »

sosborn wrote: post #97
iNane9000 wrote: post #93

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How do I find these movies? Amazon has some old, mostly low quality movies, but nothing good or recent. They got rid of the criterion collection years ago. Sincere question: How does one even find or acquire films today? I’d love to watch a movie, but literally don’t know how to go about it anymore. Netflix is not an answer as most of their content are not movies and basically spam to me.

Netflix has a tab to browse only movies. Amazon does too. They usually have a handful of quality old movies (lots of junk too), but some of their originals are very good.

This is my go-to when I want to browse Netflix

https://www.finder.com/uk/netflix-around-the-world/genre-lis...

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Post by gamblor956 »

afavour wrote: post #13

The actual quote (with my emphasis added): > "The movie business *as before* is finished and will never come back." And I think that's correct. Superhero blockbusters taking over all box office receipts was one thing, but now those blockbusters are becoming deeply tied to streaming services like Disney+ that's bringing content into people's homes and away from movie theatres. I won't mourn movie theatres (though I ho…

Hollywood's biggest film have always been adaptations of existing material. Some of the most regarded films of all time, like the Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, the Godfather, Lawrence of Arabia, and Chinatown, are themselves merely adaptations of books.

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Post by lstodd »

mrec wrote: post #225
watwut wrote: post #124

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I remember seeing indie comedies and horrors. I dont think indy implies serious, altrough there are also sad indie movies. > . If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. I dont think this is true either. The industry producing formulaic is not because it is only way to have fun. If you look at series that came out lately (Money Heist, Westworld ... ) they are not formulaic and a…

For anyone looking for a fun and surprisingly heartwarming indie gem, I can highly recommend 2017's One Cut of the Dead [1]. Budget: $25,000. Worldwide box office: $31,200,000. [1] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7914416/

Haha yes, this one is great.

Anyone up for laughs can check out Timo Vuorensola works.

Or the whole Troma Entertainment corpus.

Srsrly, cinema isn't limited to just the cali crap that gets on the networks.

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Post by danbolt »

fullshark wrote: post #80
mihaic wrote: post #26

What I find exhausting is having any systemic criticism of the movie/music industry met with arguments along the lines of: "It was just different, you're merely nostalgic/you have golden age syndrome", and have a hard time answering back with anything except: "It really was better, sometime things do get substantially worse". While technologically everything has improved, creativity feel like going from the golden ag…

It's hard to refute, cause it really is true that everyone's most instrumental pop culture experiences happened when they were 10-25 years old. I think one thing that is fascinating is how popular iconography and music/films from 20+ years ago still is. Like I see teenagers wearing t-shirts with NOFX or Van Halen on them, instead of Billie Eilish. https://www.hottopic.com/tees/music-tees/?cm_sp=LP-_-TeesGri... Ultima…

Throughout the COVID-19 restrictions, I've been writing little games that run on the Nintendo 64. I was born in the early 1990s and liked to play video games as a child, so the platform has some nostalgia now that I'm older.

What's surprised me though is the amount of times I've received questions from teenagers about how to make Nintendo 64 games. Given their ages, I would have thought something like the Nintendo DS might have been more interesting to them.

It reminded me of when Nintendo was marketing repackaged 1980s NES games to me as a child. [1] I remember being interested in them partially because of being exposed to nostalgia from others online. Part of me wonders if a bit of institutional momentum can help give a brand more of an edge for some audiences.

[1] https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Classic_NES_Series

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Post by Y_Y »

wolverine876 wrote: post #255

Barry: Call me. I'll show you where you can find great art in movies, an order of magnitude more than what was available before. I'm a big believer in data and not personal anecdotes, but if I can do it, Barry can (and you can). I never imagined so much incredible art existed on video as what I've seen in the last 5+ years on streaming. The standard for what I will watch has risen dramatically - I don't have to compr…

Where's the data? Let's have some references to all this high quality stuff.
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