Maybe I'm dumb but... I feel like a red plus sign is too simple and generic to be afforded such strict and special protection. It's almost universally understood that a red cross is synonymous with "first aid" or similar. You can keep insisting that only your brand is "velcro" and all others are "hook and loop" or whatever, but it's a losing battle and eventually you have to accept the ubiquity of the word or symbol.
It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
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Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
> an accurate representation of real life In real life, the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international organization well-known for their neutrality in armed conflict. Portraying it as just meaning 'healing' takes away from the power of that neutrality.
>the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international It's not though. Lots of military ambulances, from many countries, not associated with the Red Cross, have a red cross on them. One example, there are many more: https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&t...
These are medical units that fall under the protections of the red cross as outlined in the Geneva Conventions.
"Under the Geneva Conventions, the three distinctive emblems of the red cross, red crescent and red crystal are intended to identify and protect medical and relief workers, military and civilian medical facilities, mobile units and hospital ships during armed conflict."
https://www.redcross.org/content/dam/redcross/atg/PDF_s/Inte... (PDF)
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
>the symbol is pretty strictly limited to a specific international It's not though. Lots of military ambulances, from many countries, not associated with the Red Cross, have a red cross on them. One example, there are many more: https://www.google.com/search?q=british+military+ambulance&t...
These are medical units that fall under the protections of the red cross as outlined in the Geneva Conventions. "Under the Geneva Conventions, the three distinctive emblems of the red cross, red crescent and red crystal are intended to identify and protect medical and relief workers, military and civilian medical facilities, mobile units and hospital ships during armed conflict." https://www.redcross.org/content/dam/…
Ah, but going back up to the top, the Red Cross seems to be unhappy with in-game depictions of this reality.
Edit: Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought the Red Cross was complaining about military ambulances, hospital ships, and so on, depicted in games. In addition to less realistic uses.
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#164> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…
Has the world ever not been "increasingly uncertain"?
Some people seem to look back on the period of time between the fall of the Berlin Wall and 9/11 as a relatively stable period in "the West".
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably the most excited I've ever personally made PG was when he saw me make an em dash on my MBP and immediately wanted to know how.
I would also like to know how!
Compose Key followed by three dashes (two and a period for an en-dash) https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.7/doc/libX11/i18n/compose/e...
Also on Windows using WinCompose http://wincompose.info/
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#166Humanitarian, my ass. (Yes, of course they have the right to their trademark.)
See: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-red-cross-and-the-holocaust...
> But what began as an organization meant to curb the barbarity of warfare has found it difficult to live down its most grievous mistake: cozying up to the Third Reich, remaining silent about the Holocaust and later helping Nazis escape justice. In his last book, “Nazis on the Run: How Hitler’s Henchmen Fled Justice” (2011), historian Gerald Steinacher chronicled one aspect of this shameful era. His newest effort, “Humanitarians at War: The Red Cross in the Shadow of the Holocaust,” synthesizes what he and other historians have learned about the ICRC’s conduct during this troublesome period before adding new material on what the organization did next. This more comprehensive account of the ICRC’s actions equips the reader to decide whether the organization truly recovered from its wartime and postwar errors.
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#167> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…
I think this quotation best summarizes the article "When someone misuses the red cross,(the video game industry being just one of many), we seek their cooperation in ending the unauthorized use" The red cross is a protect trademark so this seems reasonable.
There needs to be some minimum complexity for a trademark. A cross is one of the most common human symbols. It's ridiculous to attempt to police the world for the use of it in a certain color.
I'd like to see how much they spend on this, and will reconsider donating to the red cross in the future if they continue this foolhardy errand.
Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us
#168> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…
The Red Cross, Red Crescent, and new Red Crystal are specific logos (like all trademarked logos), with the additional aspect that they are recognized in international laws, including the Geneva Conventions. Vehicles, for example, carrying the Red Cross logos are not supposed to be fired upon (https://www.haaretz.com/1.4929066), and no other vehicles are supposed to display the Red Cross logos.
If you use the IBM logo or the ATT death star in an unauthorized fashion, you get a nastygram from IBM or ATT because you are diluting their brand. Diluting the brand of the Red Cross means that there is an increased likelihood of "mistakes", and a mistake in a combat zone is a bad thing.
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#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this quotation best summarizes the article "When someone misuses the red cross,(the video game industry being just one of many), we seek their cooperation in ending the unauthorized use" The red cross is a protect trademark so this seems reasonable.
Right, but they could make that point without invoking the deaths, so presumably they're engaging in some kind of persuasion about why it's important to respect their trademark.
Presumably because persuasion is apparently necessary, as evidenced by some folk arguing against some of their reasoning or statements regarding the issue.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
These are medical units that fall under the protections of the red cross as outlined in the Geneva Conventions. "Under the Geneva Conventions, the three distinctive emblems of the red cross, red crescent and red crystal are intended to identify and protect medical and relief workers, military and civilian medical facilities, mobile units and hospital ships during armed conflict." https://www.redcross.org/content/dam/…
Ah, but going back up to the top, the Red Cross seems to be unhappy with in-game depictions of this reality. Edit: Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought the Red Cross was complaining about military ambulances, hospital ships, and so on, depicted in games. In addition to less realistic uses.
Because it's used generally as "health" and not "protected health worker" in video games.
I suspect the red cross would not take issue with a game using the red cross to depict untargatable aid workers.