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Meanwhile Amazon recruiters keep spamming me to join their cult. No one *wants* to work for you anymore. You don't need to recruit. If someone is desperate enough they'll let you know.
You're in quite the bubble. Lots of folks I know would work at Amazon. Friends have joined the computing groups (Lambda, ECS, EKS) to work on observability, scale, security. It's important work with broad impact.
"If issues do arise, employers should make the employee aware of the shortfall in their performance as soon as possible. The employee should then be given a reasonable timescale to improve.
Employers should provide their employee with any relevant support and training in order to reach the required performance standard. They should then monitor and review the employee’s progress throughout the period assigned for improvement."
What makes Amazon employees so eager to work there? Is it purely because of their salaries? I have worked at large companies where none of this dystopian stuff happens.
It's not really all that dystopian.
What happens if an Employee of Amazon who is in a country that has a data regulation that allows them to ask for and legally get any data pertaining too them? That would place Amazon to legally disclose if such an employee is on any list or anything else they have on them, be it paper or digital.
Managers are required to disclose focus/devlist status if asked directly. But they're not supposed to tell you without you asking. At least not until you get your PIP papers.
So many employees find out by either attempting an internal transfer, or getting PIP papers served.
What makes Amazon employees so eager to work there? Is it purely because of their salaries? I have worked at large companies where none of this dystopian stuff happens.
Meanwhile Amazon recruiters keep spamming me to join their cult. No one *wants* to work for you anymore. You don't need to recruit. If someone is desperate enough they'll let you know.
For 500k? Yeah I’d do it even for a year, working on the most dullard shit then have 3 years off.
I never understood the secretive nature of these Amazon "devplan" / "FOCUS" lists. If an employee has a performance issue, they should know. Period. If they are on a formal list, they should know that too. The only "positive" here is that it can affect the individual's moral to know you are not meeting expectations - but that has to be communicated regardless. If it's understood it has to be communicated and there is…
It doesn't seem crazy to me on the surface. You say you are worried about "toxic culture which breeds stress" but I think you could equally say that constantly getting notes that you are a below-average performer would be just as bad.
What happens if an Employee of Amazon who is in a country that has a data regulation that allows them to ask for and legally get any data pertaining too them? That would place Amazon to legally disclose if such an employee is on any list or anything else they have on them, be it paper or digital.
Earlier quoted context omitted.
> "Amazon instructs managers not to tell office employees that they are on a formal performance-management plan that puts their job in jeopardy unless the employee explicitly asks, according to guidance from an Amazon intranet page for managers." The fact is the PIP hasn't put their job in jeopardy, it was their not meeting expectations that put their job in jeopardy. The reality is once you're there, it's (a) probab…
Putting aside everything else, having a formal performance-management plan, in which those put on it will be informed of that fact, normally means that most employees will have some evidence for not feeling afraid that each day they walk into the office may be their last.
Meanwhile Amazon recruiters keep spamming me to join their cult. No one *wants* to work for you anymore. You don't need to recruit. If someone is desperate enough they'll let you know.
> No one wants to work for you anymore. You're in quite the bubble. Lots of folks I know would work at Amazon. Friends have joined the computing groups (Lambda, ECS, EKS) to work on observability, scale, security. It's important work with broad impact.
It is quite sad how many in our industry are either sufficiently clueless or sufficiently indifferent that they would eagerly go work at the CIA's sysadmins, especially under the guise of "important" or "impact" (quite literally in the case I mentioned).