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Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by jdavis703 »

bingidingi wrote: post #36
mushufasa wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If video games or art or movies are depicting the appropriate scenarios, such as a scene involving army medics, wouldn't that be a constructive use of the symbol? It would spread awareness and education. A green cross would confuse people.

A green cross would confuse no one. It's already used all over the world. You've probably seen it and the color hasn't even crossed your mind.

In my limited experience it’s more of a southern European symbol. For example in the US I’d associate it with cannabis.

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by trollman5000 »

chomp wrote: post #34
throwaway894345 wrote: post #13

> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…

I don't think they are insinuating that. I think they are claiming that pulling the Red Cross into public domain dilutes its symbolism from the neutral humanitarian organization they intend it to stand for, to "generic medical symbol potentially used by anyone", which could potentially open personnel up to violence.

Good.

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by PeterCorless »

yellow_lead wrote: post #45

> Under the Charter Act that was adopted in 1900 under the Geneva Convention (and later amended in 1905 and again in 1910)3, the American Red Cross has the exclusive right to use a red Greek cross4 on a white field, with the only exception being that any user of such an emblem prior to 1905 would continue to have the right to use the emblem. Registrations owned by Johnson & Johnson for red Greek crosses date from 190…

The problem is that it's not just governed by national trademark, but by international treaty.

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by Justsignedup »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #13

> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…

IF you are in combat and you see a red cross vehicle, it is important for your first reaction being "that is not where the enemy is" vs firing at it.

This saves lives, and protects those who run into danger zones to save people.

If we slap red cross symbols on people with medical equipment that you see in video games, it'll just dilute the meaning and maybe next time someone sees a vehicle with the red cross symbol they'll think "oh, that's just the enemy's medics" and throw a grenade that way.

If I understand correctly the red cross will treat anyone regardless of the side they came in with.

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by w0de0 »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #13

> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…

“[As an example of an increasingly unstable world,] … there have been 162 fatalities. [Therefore the value of the Red Cross symbol must be protected as it is desperately needed.]”

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Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by quickthrower2 »

yellow_lead wrote: post #45

> Under the Charter Act that was adopted in 1900 under the Geneva Convention (and later amended in 1905 and again in 1910)3, the American Red Cross has the exclusive right to use a red Greek cross4 on a white field, with the only exception being that any user of such an emblem prior to 1905 would continue to have the right to use the emblem. Registrations owned by Johnson & Johnson for red Greek crosses date from 190…

Hold on … I surely can’t go and start a drinks company and call my drink coke? Same with a search engine and Google?

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by schoen »

eldaisfish wrote: post #28
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's correct in German, which otherwise has basically the same grammar as English.

>which otherwise has basically the same grammar as English German and English have similar grammar but they are very far from being the same. Particular here with commas. Clauses in German are almost always marked with commas. English uses the comma much more sparingly.

Yes, it's always odd to me to see native German speakers putting a comma before "that" in indirect discourse in English (like "ich glaube, dass dieser Satz richtig ist" -> *"I believe, that this sentence is correct").

In English there's also a difference in comma usage with restrictive and nonrestrictive relative clauses (restrictive relative clauses, which indicate which specific entity is referred to as opposed to others, don't use commas, while nonrestrictive relative clauses, which merely add additional information, do), but I seem to remember that native German speakers will commonly write both with commas.

*The person, who was here yesterday, has come back.

Conversely, it's sometimes hard for me to remember to use that comma in German. I want to write something like *"sie sagt dass man hier kein Komma braucht".

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by trollman5000 »

Justsignedup wrote: post #54
throwaway894345 wrote: post #13

> In an increasingly uncertain world, this protective use of the red cross emblem has become more and more important. In the past ten years, there have been 162 fatalities among Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement personnel including two Canadians. I don't understand how these two sentences are related and the article doesn't explain it as far as I can tell. They seem to be vaguely insinuating that video games approp…

IF you are in combat and you see a red cross vehicle, it is important for your first reaction being "that is not where the enemy is" vs firing at it. This saves lives, and protects those who run into danger zones to save people. If we slap red cross symbols on people with medical equipment that you see in video games, it'll just dilute the meaning and maybe next time someone sees a vehicle with the red cross symbol t…

Sounds like you could just use the Red Cross symbol to lure unsuspecting victims to your location.

Re: It may just be a game to you, but it means the world to us

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Post by ksaj »

rurounijones wrote: post #5

Is anyone aware of some event that kicked off this posting? Has a particular game misused the symbol badly? It all makes sense but I am not sure if it has been submitted in response to some recent egregious misuse.

I wondered exactly this, because to this day I've only ever seen the red cross used for its intended meaning. It is absolutely recognizable for this purpose, and in those use cases. There were cases of misuse, but they were some time ago and already have been dealt with.

I used to have a toy ambulance that had the red cross logo on it. They probably should post a policy on what they consider to be acceptable play, and what is not. This would also impact a lot of movies and cartoons.

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