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Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by selimthegrim »

throwawayboise wrote: post #119
munificent wrote: post #102

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> Then there's "it's all remakes now"—but 1) it's not, It really is, if by "remake" you mean all ways of leveraging existing IP. Here are the top ten box office films of 2020: * Bad Boys for Life (sequel) * Sonic the Hedgehog (videogame) * Birds of Prey (comic book) * Dolittle (book) * The Invisible Man (book) * The Call of the Wild (book) * Onward (original) * The Croods: A New Age (sequel) * Tenet (original) * Wond…

Airplane was not strictly an original, it was a remake/spoof of Zero Hour from 1957 and more broadly spoofing the "disaster" film concept.

You could also argue it was spoofing the Airport films which were based on books.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by graeme »

iNane9000 wrote: post #93
handrous wrote: post #23

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> I won't mourn movie theatres (though I hope places emulate the likes of Alamo Drafthouse and do dinner, drinks and let us make an evening out of watching a movie), but I do worry about things like movie financing. It feels the industry has split in two, either making super-expensive superhero blockbusters or super cheap indie films. I'm informed by my cinemaphile friend that exactly this phenomenon has been much re…

How do I find these movies? Amazon has some old, mostly low quality movies, but nothing good or recent. They got rid of the criterion collection years ago. Sincere question: How does one even find or acquire films today? I’d love to watch a movie, but literally don’t know how to go about it anymore. Netflix is not an answer as most of their content are not movies and basically spam to me.

Criterion channel is a great streaming service for old classics.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by IAmGraydon »

syntaxing wrote: post #130
IAmGraydon wrote: post #118

Through my work, I have access to Placer.ai, which allows me to track foot traffic to any retail location or chain via visitors' cellphone GPS. Here's AMC's nationwide foot traffic from January 2017 through July 4, 2021. https://i.imgur.com/s3H7EYj.png

Wait, how does Placer.ai work? Like you need to have some sort of AMC app?

Placer is able to track cell phones that have an app installed that uses their SDK. They currently have their SDK in over 500 mobile apps. The data is anonymized, but it would probably shock people how much information I can get from this system. I just pick a location and I can see how many people walked into that location over any time span in the past 4 years, where they live, how much money they make, where else they like to shop, etc. I work in commercial real estate, BTW. We use this software to analyze retail properties.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by Apocryphon »

jfengel wrote: post #120
edgyquant wrote: post #78

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I think Breaking Bad really set the stage for TV shows being good film. Whether you like the show or not it had a clear and defined story and ended after 5 seasons where most shows before would just run until their ratings dropped.

HBO had been doing it for a few years, with shows like The Wire and Deadwood. But Breaking Bad helped bring it to a wider audience, since AMC is basic cable rather than premium. (AMC had launched into that a year before with Mad Men, which was similarly TV as good film.)

I think the turn of the century start of the prestige drama cable age was The Sopranos, with The West Wing doing something similar on network TV.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by johnchristopher »

watwut wrote: post #124
nineplay wrote: post #53

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> People who complain that nothing good is made anymore must just be looking at what's advertised heavily I can't speak for everyone but I think it's hard to find anything 'fun'. The indie films inevitably seem to be deadly serious, whether it's terrible crimes or failing relationships or the inevitably of death. If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. It feels different. Spi…

I remember seeing indie comedies and horrors. I dont think indy implies serious, altrough there are also sad indie movies. > . If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. I dont think this is true either. The industry producing formulaic is not because it is only way to have fun. If you look at series that came out lately (Money Heist, Westworld ... ) they are not formulaic and a…

I only watched the first season of Westworld and I found it very formulaic and full of common trope but it's been too long now for me to discuss it.

Last série I really appreciated: the OA.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by johnchristopher »

masayune wrote: post #129
handrous wrote: post #23

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> I won't mourn movie theatres (though I hope places emulate the likes of Alamo Drafthouse and do dinner, drinks and let us make an evening out of watching a movie), but I do worry about things like movie financing. It feels the industry has split in two, either making super-expensive superhero blockbusters or super cheap indie films. I'm informed by my cinemaphile friend that exactly this phenomenon has been much re…

how do you find these good, low budget movies? would love to know your discovery process

Personnaly I regularly check out the sundance festival entries and anything produced by annapurna and https://a24films.com/

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by Apocryphon »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #101
sidlls wrote: post #89

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Almost nobody expects their "cotton candy" entertainment to require that level of effort regularly. It's fine if a small handful of things based on prior art ("Return of the King") are around; healthy even. When that's all there is, though, that seems like a problem.

> Almost nobody expects their "cotton candy" entertainment to require that level of effort regularly. Most people love continuations of prior art. The vast majority of people have no problem watching a few films per year, and consider it a luxury, not an effort. People love seeing their favorite characters reappear and have done so long before film. > When that's all there is, though, that seems like a problem. Well.…

Movie serials were also literally at the beginning of the medium

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_film

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by jfengel »

Apocryphon wrote: post #134
jfengel wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HBO had been doing it for a few years, with shows like The Wire and Deadwood. But Breaking Bad helped bring it to a wider audience, since AMC is basic cable rather than premium. (AMC had launched into that a year before with Mad Men, which was similarly TV as good film.)

I think the turn of the century start of the prestige drama cable age was The Sopranos , with The West Wing doing something similar on network TV.

That seems a really good starting point. Oz preceded it, but was never the breakout hit that The Sopranos became.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by bee_rider »

watwut wrote: post #124
nineplay wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> People who complain that nothing good is made anymore must just be looking at what's advertised heavily I can't speak for everyone but I think it's hard to find anything 'fun'. The indie films inevitably seem to be deadly serious, whether it's terrible crimes or failing relationships or the inevitably of death. If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. It feels different. Spi…

I remember seeing indie comedies and horrors. I dont think indy implies serious, altrough there are also sad indie movies. > . If a viewer wants 'fun' then they're stuck with formulaic superhero blockbusters. I dont think this is true either. The industry producing formulaic is not because it is only way to have fun. If you look at series that came out lately (Money Heist, Westworld ... ) they are not formulaic and a…

Seems inevitable that streaming services would cannibalize some of that low-invest fun media. The format is just more relaxed and if I want to see something kinda silly and fun, I'd rather just pop on my TV.

Re: Barry Diller: The movie business as before is finished and will never come back

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Post by watwut »

merlincorey wrote: post #103
outlawBand wrote: post #73

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...but there is a huge percentage of the population that doesn't like / play video games.

Plenty of them are willing to watch people play video games, even if they don't want to play them.

Those consider themswlves games and report themselves as gamers. They claim to like games.
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