Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
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#2It’s not a “conceal” as it is a lack of discussion. I get that being put on performance management plan can be demoralizing. The article makes it appear unjust. It only reveals the true nature of the concealing AFTER it has narrated the whole story with opinions. This is ridiculous.
Amazon is doing it exactly right. However there needs to be transparency at the minimum expected performance. For all employees. And when employees know they don’t meet that expectation, they do whatever they need to do including use corporate resources to get there.
But this article is a hit piece
Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
#3Most successful companies I know are constantly recruiting and trying to keep people onboard - why would they be trying to actively get rid of people?
Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
#4It’s not a “conceal” as it is a lack of discussion. I get that being put on performance management plan can be demoralizing. The article makes it appear unjust. It only reveals the true nature of the concealing AFTER it has narrated the whole story with opinions. This is ridiculous. Amazon is doing it exactly right. However there needs to be transparency at the minimum expected performance. For all employees. And whe…
What’s the true nature of the concealing? The fact that some managers flout the guidance that Amazon provides to not tell people they are on a PIP? I’ve never heard of another company doing that, much less would want to work for one where that is the official guidance to managers!
If you might label it a hit price, I don’t think it’s that controversial to label you as Amazon apologist.
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#5Another goodie from AMZN - hard cap on max of years of experience for a position. Nice way to filter out the old dudes like me. I suppose the trend will naturally spread through the industry.
Edit: it is max cap in hiring requirements. The requirements are directly from AMZN recruiter (AMZN email address, etc). The max is bullet pointed together with the min. The max is also additionally clearly stressed in the description to make sure that there is no misunderstanding (i'd definitely would have hard time believing my eyes if seeing it only once in the bullet points)
Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
#6Most successful companies I know are constantly recruiting and trying to keep people onboard - why would they be trying to actively get rid of people?
that is for companies without the recruit demand. Amazon has stated before they try to remove the bottom 10% regularly to keep the average performance moving up
Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
#7Most successful companies I know are constantly recruiting and trying to keep people onboard - why would they be trying to actively get rid of people?
that is for companies without the recruit demand. Amazon has stated before they try to remove the bottom 10% regularly to keep the average performance moving up
Didn't decades of that policy at Microsoft prove that it doesn't work? People then optimize to make sure they only work on projects to keep their score up.
Re: Amazon tells bosses to conceal when employees are on performance management plan
#8It’s not a “conceal” as it is a lack of discussion. I get that being put on performance management plan can be demoralizing. The article makes it appear unjust. It only reveals the true nature of the concealing AFTER it has narrated the whole story with opinions. This is ridiculous. Amazon is doing it exactly right. However there needs to be transparency at the minimum expected performance. For all employees. And whe…
> It’s not a “conceal” as it is a lack of discussion.
Lack of discussion is concealment. Knowing you're on a formal PIP is to know whatever performance issues your manager might be telling you about are actually serious and that your job is on the line. It's my understanding that formal tracking of performance issues is frequently a CYA step prior to termination.
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
that is for companies without the recruit demand. Amazon has stated before they try to remove the bottom 10% regularly to keep the average performance moving up
Didn't decades of that policy at Microsoft prove that it doesn't work? People then optimize to make sure they only work on projects to keep their score up.
> Didn't decades of that policy at Microsoft prove that it doesn't work? People then optimize to make sure they only work on projects to keep their score up.
So? It's the kind policy that appeals to the prejudices of an aloof executive with a low opinion of his peons. That trumps facts.
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#10It’s not a “conceal” as it is a lack of discussion. I get that being put on performance management plan can be demoralizing. The article makes it appear unjust. It only reveals the true nature of the concealing AFTER it has narrated the whole story with opinions. This is ridiculous. Amazon is doing it exactly right. However there needs to be transparency at the minimum expected performance. For all employees. And whe…
What’s the true nature of the concealing? The fact that some managers flout the guidance that Amazon provides to not tell people they are on a PIP? I’ve never heard of another company doing that, much less would want to work for one where that is the official guidance to managers! If you might label it a hit price, I don’t think it’s that controversial to label you as Amazon apologist.
In the small section where they quote Amazon’s perspective, it says:
> tell the employee that their performance is not meeting expectations
Then the rest of the article is all quotes about employees who are not sure if they are meeting expectations or not. Are managers just not following this guidance, or is there some other rule that says the opposite of this quote?