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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 7:30 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #440

tester756 wrote: post #439

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What do you meaan? e.g Polish students in Poland take english exams and the "what you have to do" part is written in Polish, but the task itself challenges english skills

For the math part, are the instructions in Polish or English? As a native English speaker, I would have trouble doing math if the instructions and word problems were in Polish, even if Polish were my second language. Usually standardized tests are in one language regardless of if you're a native speaker or not, putting immigrants at a disadvantage.

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Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tester34 » Tue, Jul 06, 2021, 11:07 AM UTC

jedberg wrote: post #440

tester756 wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you meaan? e.g Polish students in Poland take english exams and the "what you have to do" part is written in Polish, but the task itself challenges english skills

For the math part, are the instructions in Polish or English? As a native English speaker, I would have trouble doing math if the instructions and word problems were in Polish, even if Polish were my second language. Usually standardized tests are in one language regardless of if you're a native speaker or not, putting immigrants at a disadvantage.

>Usually standardized tests are in one language regardless of if you're a native speaker or not, putting immigrants at a disadvantage.

It seems reasonable, taking math without proficency in exam's math nomenclature is harder if you were learning math in other language, as far as I know you can probably ask comission to clarify stuff.

But, the original discussion started from

>Black people are currently less educated as a result of systemic racism than their Asain and white counterparts.

comparing Black people who have been in US for looooooooong time to imigrants is not greatest.

Here's basic level school leaving math exam:

https://cke.gov.pl/images/_EGZAMIN_MATURALNY_OD_2015/Arkusze...

I just went thru those questions and they seems to be almost purely mathematical (there's one question about balls in the box and counting probability (no. 25))

and also very often their description is relatively short like "solve the inequality" (27), but there's some longer questions, mostly about geometry

I'm not aware whether there's English version of this, but let's think about it for a while:

I don't think that immigrants in Poland come from English speaking countries, thus even using English on those exams would be relative disadvantage, the perfect solution would be to allow them to take it in their native language, but then we'd have to support(*) basically all languages because somebody may appear and declare that he want to take the exam

* - have people who are able capable of providing high quality translation

Re: Google reports soaring attrition among Black women

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Post by tchinit » Fri, Jul 09, 2021, 2:41 PM UTC

noutella wrote: post #384

tchinit wrote: post #282

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This is a malliciously uninformed take; which you seem to imply you already realize with your provocative self attack mocking 'ableism'. If you have an issue with "Putting people in smaller and smaller box"es then you should start your rants by addressing religion or American voter policy. Your take reads like in America's history black people were always able to vote and Civil Rights was really a rebranding of their…

This was not a rant. I hear you and I mostly share your view tbh. As we speak, Republican lawmakers are pushing for legislations that aim to exclude voters from democratic expression ; Flint residents still don't have drinkable water. All of this exist, racism exist, poor people are suffering and even dying from it, minorities in larger proportions. Still, is the X of Latinx the solution ? Or is it smoke and mirrors…

> Still, is the X of Latinx the solution ?

Hardly, though this seems a strawman since anyone who advocates for the X in Latinx would be unlikely to claim it solves the Flint water crisis.

> Or is it smoke and mirrors in the Big Tech goal of being perceived as noble ?

This feels like conflating. The X in Latinx is independant of the Tech industry, and was most definitely used long before any Tech HR department caught on.

Latinx came out of the intersectionality of minority rights and issues of gender. Latin languages are gendered but we want to address Latin-American issues without profiling a single gender, a la Latino or Latina.

As another tool in the toolbox to fix oppressive systems the X in Latinx is a fine thing and people have been empowered by it, but it in isolation is certainly going to fall short of addressing the myriad of issues within this domain and I doubt any advocates for change would claim otherwise.

I think business leaders will do anything to avoid dilluting their ownership, which will be an important effort toward real positive change, and if their tactic is to distract organizers with superficial changes then organizers will need to remain diligent.

Take what is offered and keep working until what is offered is what you need.

> This was not a rant.

Maybe, but your replies seem to point to a specific interpretation of your comment of villifying, or at least mocking, of people who see themselves represented in LGBTTQQIAAP and its advocacy ilk, and a plea that the only reasonable response is to reject the activism wholesale.