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How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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This completely misses the point. Every piece of value generating work in the chain of paper publication is done by people paid by universities and in turn by taxpayer money. The publishing companies give 0 pay to the volunteers that write and peer review the papers. At most (and often even not that), they pay the person that does the final formatting (which is often already done by the author). So it often boils dow…

You are not wrong and I agree but eventually I suspect there will be some project management (following up on peer reviewers, winnowing out the low quality papers, etc) that will need to be paid for on top of the server and bandwidth costs. Whatever service comes about it will need to collect some money. My view is it should be small in the single digit dollar space for unlimited monthly access for every paper that w…

This sounds like there is currently a mechanism for winnowing the crap, but we currently don't really have this either.

On the contrary, because researchers are driven to publish publish publish, they often reheat the same paper over and over again with minor modifications, or just go conference shopping until they get an acceptance.

With less publishing pressure, qualitu would go up automatically.

Watson and Crick published papers only every couple years. This wouldn't work today at all.

Science needs to go back to publishing when you habe something to say, not just to fullfill your quota.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia and the industry, I can only support Sci-Hub. Publishing as it works currently is an incredibly time consuming and expensive process funneling tremendous amounts of tax money into the pocḱets of publishers. To some extent the whole situation reminds me of the video and music content piracy era in the early 2000s. I hope there will be an equivalent of Apple Music/S…

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia (but not in the industry), I can not support Sci-Hub. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I think it's the wrong approach.

As scientists, I think we should be held to especially high moral standards. And there are two questions one should be allowed to ask:

1. Is is right to publish research results funded by tax money behind a paywall? 2. Is it right to circumvent a paywall to access publicly funded research results?

And to me, the answer to 2. is imply 'no'. I know that most people, especially here on HN, do not agree with that view. Perhaps they might think that a 'yes' would immediately follow from a 'no' to question 1.

But I don't think it does, and I'm not even sure my answer to question 1 would be a 'no'. Perhaps one could think about another question first: should researchers turn to a professional publisher to get their research published, and I think at least some years ago there wasn't much else you could do. Now, of course, there are digital platforms such as arxiv but their acceptance also depends vastly on your field. In any event, such platforms can also be thought of as a publisher, anyway. The main service provided is organizational: publishers don't review the research contents (they're not qualified for that) but they organize external reviewers; publishers provide discoverability because they are a well-defined source known to the community. Are there alternatives to that type of work? Sure! But there is an added value in what a publisher does.

So then in a follow-up question, we can ask whether a publisher should be compensated for their work. And to me, it is pretty clear that they should be. Of course, there are different ways this could be implemented but that decision is up to the one running the business, ie., the publisher. I can think of more customer-friendly ways than to make me pay for every single download of a paper. On the other hand, there are lots of other businesses where I don't like the way they make money - tough luck for me, I guess.

Now, I think this last point is very important, especially before you go and hit that downvote button (unless you already have): I can think of better ways (for me!) how research publishing should be realized. But I don't think that from that it follows that I should be able to or even have the moral right to circumvent publisher paywalls.

Perhaps it's wrong to charge for access to publicly funded research results but I don't think the second wrong of circumventing publisher paywalls makes that right.

Oh, and here's a little subtlety I don't see discussed very often: if I do research funded by UK tax money and publish it, should that paper be freely available to Americans too, or only to UK tax payers?

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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I would consider her as one of my heroes.

Having said that, probably she has not faced a genuinely strong attempt at malignment yet, like some people tried to pull off on Stallman (“he is a defender of Epstein and child rapists”) few months ago. I hope she has a support system to fall back on when that happens.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

>and she took offense because the wasp was a parasite species, and blocked sci-hub in Russia for several months in retaliation Sounds like shes the wrong person in charge of sci-hub. Blocking access to ~free knowledge because one is offended is probably even worse...that's the mindset of dictators no? And Russia is probably her only protection not being assange'd already.

Feel free to run your own Sci-Hub, then. It's not like this is a massively collaborative project that she's the executive decision-maker of; it's largely just her.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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post #36
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These papers that have been paid for by tax payers and peer reviewed for free should be made freely available legally.

I hear they generally are "freely" available, just email the authors and ask.

Having to wait for an author to email you a copy isn't a viable solution. Even getting authors to post a free copy, which is NIH mandate is often overlooked...

https://publicaccess.nih.gov/policy.htm

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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post #36
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These papers that have been paid for by tax payers and peer reviewed for free should be made freely available legally.

I hear they generally are "freely" available, just email the authors and ask.

You're not wrong but that system only works on a very small scale. Do you really think the authors would be amenable to answering 10000 emails with the exact same request?

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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post #42

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia and the industry, I can only support Sci-Hub. Publishing as it works currently is an incredibly time consuming and expensive process funneling tremendous amounts of tax money into the pocḱets of publishers. To some extent the whole situation reminds me of the video and music content piracy era in the early 2000s. I hope there will be an equivalent of Apple Music/S…

Having worked as a researcher all my life in academia (but not in the industry), I can not support Sci-Hub. I know it's an unpopular opinion but I think it's the wrong approach. As scientists, I think we should be held to especially high moral standards. And there are two questions one should be allowed to ask: 1. Is is right to publish research results funded by tax money behind a paywall? 2. Is it right to circumve…

> So then in a follow-up question, we can ask whether a publisher should be compensated for their work. And to me, it is pretty clear that they should be.

But… what does a publisher actually do?

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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I would consider her as one of my heroes. Having said that, probably she has not faced a genuinely strong attempt at malignment yet, like some people tried to pull off on Stallman (“he is a defender of Epstein and child rapists”) few months ago. I hope she has a support system to fall back on when that happens.

That's what happened a few years ago; the kerfuffle a few months ago was much more justified. And I don't really see how that's relevant here, anyway.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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post #15

The original article presents her in a very bright light, as a smart and brave woman who is engaged in a legal battle against large greedy corporations. And I find the photo quite cool. I think she is just overly susceptible, and maybe a little bit paranoid (which is understandable for a person with enemies as powerful as hers). This reminds me of the time when a russian entomologist named a new wasp species he disco…

> blocked sci-hub in Russia for several months in retaliation !

It's been blocked for four days. (5th to 9th of September 2017). This is indeed an overreaction, no need to inflate the figures.

Re: How The Chronicle is trying to malign Sci-Hub

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear they generally are "freely" available, just email the authors and ask.

You're not wrong but that system only works on a very small scale. Do you really think the authors would be amenable to answering 10000 emails with the exact same request?

Fortunately(?) most of us will never be in a position where even 10 people ask to do that...
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