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Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Amazon requires you show ID and have a camera on for their online peogramming screening.

I chose to not enable my laptop webcam and to instead apply elsewhere, mostly from self respect.

In paying an institute for education i doubt students have a similar luxury. I hope that the EU might enforce privacy similar to the move against cookies. Likewise i would love to see restrictions that prohibit facial recognition in private businesses without consent

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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We employed the method of mixing the order of questions, not giving question titles, and having a pool of subtly different questions (a negation or a different constant slipped in) in order to vastly increase the amount of necessary communication to collaborate. We had the students turn on their webcams just to discourage them sitting in the same room, which basically would negate our former efforts. Neither did we f…

>We employed the method of mixing the order of questions, not giving question titles, and having a pool of subtly different questions (a negation or a different constant slipped in) What an awful burden to put on the shoulders of the already overworked and underpaid professors.

I pay over $6,000 a semester to attend a reasonably-priced state university. While the professors may be overworked and underpaid, from a student perspective, for the money I give the institution, the institution can invest a little in systems that do all this automatically.

International students pay significantly more, and there are often 100 students or more in a class.

So it’s also not a great solution to put the burden of overworked professors onto the students by invading privacy and making them use poorly built suffrage to do so.

The trouble is at the institution level.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spitballing here, but maybe exams need to be reconsidered. What if instead, the professor has a 1:1 conversation with each student, Socrates-style? You’d know pretty quickly whether or not the student was familiar with the material, and if not, where they were weak and needed more focus. Maybe systematizing everything about education is the wrong approach.

It's certain that this Socratic professor has preferences and biases, like everyone else in the world, some of which he will be unaware of. How is he to avoid these biases affecting the conclusion he draws?

Who is to say these biases dont already exist in exams?

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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I can see why universities want to use a system like this. A friend of mine is a University lecturer for physics and one of his students gave him an invite to the discord channel where half his students are in there sharing all the answers during the final exam. He basically told me there is nothing he can do about it. He talked to the head of department and they basically said if you have proof of specific people ch…

Spitballing here, but maybe exams need to be reconsidered. What if instead, the professor has a 1:1 conversation with each student, Socrates-style? You’d know pretty quickly whether or not the student was familiar with the material, and if not, where they were weak and needed more focus. Maybe systematizing everything about education is the wrong approach.

The older and more educated I become from free classes online the more ridiculous our education system seems.

I pretty much know if I learned the material or not. A test is nice to confirm this for myself but the way we have put test scores above everything is just ridiculous.

It is all the symptoms of credentialism. Imagine taking the same class for free that you don't get "credit" for. It is not "cheating" then if someone else gives you the answers to things you don't know. It is just a waste of your own time. Why even bother taking the class.

Instead we have people paying tens of thousands of dollars basically to focus on test taking to get credentials that no one really cares about anyway instead of actually becoming more educated.

The irony to me is I always got good grades when I was younger and in school because I have always been a great test taker. I didn't have to "waste" much time actually learning the material. "waste" time actually benefiting from the material.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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When I was TAing last year we had to proctor the students via zoom (trust me its not fun for anyone). Quite frankly I found different professors approached things in different ways. All the exams were made open book, because its impossible to figure out if people are looking at their notes. One of the profs decided to make it impossible to cheat by basically making the exam so hard that even the A+ students would hav…

> For humanities oriented assessments however, I know most of the profs chose to do things via project work (it's a bit hard to cheat when writing essays…)

This is true of copying and collusion generally, but not of commissioning unique work from an essay mill, which is shockingly prevalent in humanities subjects for this very reason. I am aware of no effective defence against this other than in-person exams or oral vivas. I’m glad I’m not a humanities lecturer right now.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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I can see why universities want to use a system like this. A friend of mine is a University lecturer for physics and one of his students gave him an invite to the discord channel where half his students are in there sharing all the answers during the final exam. He basically told me there is nothing he can do about it. He talked to the head of department and they basically said if you have proof of specific people ch…

Discord accounts are tied to real identities and the company is pretty aggressive about removing duplicate accounts. It should be possible to ID most of the people in that chat and report them to the administration.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Algo for teachers affected by cheating: 1) make questions brutal and unique (compared to previous year or current groups) if possible 2) make everything open-book 3) set a tough time limit 4) curve the results to a desired grade distribution (that is often imposed from above anyway) 5) use software that can the catch most obvious frauds (i.e. 360 degree room scanning, ban use of phones/second computers etc.) 6) if th…

> i.e. 360 degree room scanning Tape a smartphone to the laptop screen. Out of view of the webcam at all times. (This isn't hard.) Such room scanning is harmful, and doesn't prevent cheating.

The tests I’ve taken (amateur radio, tech certs) require a second device to show the rest of the first device.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Amazon requires you show ID and have a camera on for their online peogramming screening. I chose to not enable my laptop webcam and to instead apply elsewhere, mostly from self respect. In paying an institute for education i doubt students have a similar luxury. I hope that the EU might enforce privacy similar to the move against cookies. Likewise i would love to see restrictions that prohibit facial recognition in p…

This seems not to be a thing in the EU at all.

At least in Poland where I live, it's pretty much unheard of. Sure, cameras are required once in a while, sometimes you need to show your student ID, but the scary e-proctoring software doesn't exist at all.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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I took a course recently and the final exam had this kind of eproctoring setup where I would have to install proprietary software, show the examiner around my room, under my desk and so on. I did not take the exam.

> I did not take the exam. I assume at significant cost? I feel similarly strongly about my dominion over my own computing devices and the boundaries placed on their intrusion into my environment. I wonder, at what point should this reasonably be considered equivalent to a religious belief and provided the same sort of protection.

Surely you should lease my harddrive space if you believe it is necessary.

I charge $10/megabit/minute as i am an exclusive artisianal cloud. And thats not including badwidth or installation fee.

Re: Protect student privacy: ban eproctoring

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I did not take the exam. I assume at significant cost? I feel similarly strongly about my dominion over my own computing devices and the boundaries placed on their intrusion into my environment. I wonder, at what point should this reasonably be considered equivalent to a religious belief and provided the same sort of protection.

Surely you should lease my harddrive space if you believe it is necessary. I charge $10/megabit/minute as i am an exclusive artisianal cloud. And thats not including badwidth or installation fee.

And while we are on the topic my work from home office is 2300/month to lease
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